Mosin Nagant
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You must be right, not that it matters much to me.
I went back to the add and it doesn’t list it as corrosive but it must be, since the gun has been shooting it for a long time and set for so many years and the barrel is clean and sharp, just have to clean it more when I am done.
Thanks for the info
I went back to the add and it doesn’t list it as corrosive but it must be, since the gun has been shooting it for a long time and set for so many years and the barrel is clean and sharp, just have to clean it more when I am done.
Thanks for the info
Hey guys. A newbie here.
I also have a Mosin. Made in 1932 with hex receiver. Got it from big 5 for $99.
I have been fiddling with it on-and-off for months. Finally it shoots better than 2 MOA groups with iron sight. Works include: convert trigger to Finnish upgrade, one that has 2 rollers and works like a true 2-stage; glass bedding the action; glass bedding barrel channel, the barrel is free floating but upward shimmed near the muzzle; convert the front sight to semi adjustable; modify trigger to have over-travel limiting screw.
Question on free floating the barrel. I understand it may not be the best idea for rifles with long and skinny barrels. Mosin being one, SMLE being the other. In fact I found upward shimming works better. But what about those fancy sporter stocks? They are free floating the barrels, are they not? So free floating barrels don't work in the original military stocks, but they will work great in the modern sporter stocks? It doesn't make sense.
Question on corrosive ammo. They are bad for guns, no questions there. But is it really that bad? How come those old rifles are still around after so many years. They all shot corrosive ammo, did they not? I don't think the Russian peasant soldiers would clean their rifle with hot water or windex everyday, while they were fighting hand-to-hand combats against the Germans. My Mosin was mighty dirty with powder residue still in the barrel, packed in by bucketful of axial grease. It cleaned out just fine. No trace of rust.
Thanks in advance for your comments.
-TL
I also have a Mosin. Made in 1932 with hex receiver. Got it from big 5 for $99.
I have been fiddling with it on-and-off for months. Finally it shoots better than 2 MOA groups with iron sight. Works include: convert trigger to Finnish upgrade, one that has 2 rollers and works like a true 2-stage; glass bedding the action; glass bedding barrel channel, the barrel is free floating but upward shimmed near the muzzle; convert the front sight to semi adjustable; modify trigger to have over-travel limiting screw.
Question on free floating the barrel. I understand it may not be the best idea for rifles with long and skinny barrels. Mosin being one, SMLE being the other. In fact I found upward shimming works better. But what about those fancy sporter stocks? They are free floating the barrels, are they not? So free floating barrels don't work in the original military stocks, but they will work great in the modern sporter stocks? It doesn't make sense.
Question on corrosive ammo. They are bad for guns, no questions there. But is it really that bad? How come those old rifles are still around after so many years. They all shot corrosive ammo, did they not? I don't think the Russian peasant soldiers would clean their rifle with hot water or windex everyday, while they were fighting hand-to-hand combats against the Germans. My Mosin was mighty dirty with powder residue still in the barrel, packed in by bucketful of axial grease. It cleaned out just fine. No trace of rust.
Thanks in advance for your comments.
-TL
Aaron1100us
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Shot a Mosin for the first time this summer. I'm used to 54R in my Tiger so that wasn't bad. But holey crap, I had to beat on the bolt to get it to work. Cheap and shoots a cartridge that I love. But after that, I had the guy shoot my SMLE. The bolt on my SMLE is smooth as butter and is pretty darn accurate.
If you were to get a Mosin, make sure the bolt moves at least somewhat freely.
If you were to get a Mosin, make sure the bolt moves at least somewhat freely.
@tangolima
Free floating
You can free float the original stock, just time and effort, and boyds makes a classic stock for the mosin that comes free floated and has same "look" but variety of colors
The aftermarket like mine from boyds , archangel or uti usually come free floated. BUT with the aftermarket laminate stocks, the rifles will slowly drop into the stock, later modification to re free float is necessary once the rifle has settled into the new stock, as im finding out. still accurate though just not as much at long ranges 300-600 its affecting the grouping.
Corrosive Ammo
The corrosive ammo is not bad, in most cases that is what the mosins like to shoot, and its cheap and easy to obtain. the downside of them is the corrosive effect which eats the rifling and inside of the barrel. basically more wear and tear on the gun with it, unless cleaned properly.
Now im personally anal about keeping my mosin clean and in working order. if using corrosive ammo, after a shoot i get my cleaning rods and wads, jam 1 down the barrel dripping in windex, this neutralizes the acidic nature of the powder. leave for a bit and the clean till dry, then using gun cleaning spray i dab my wads and clean gun. then lightly oil ALL parts of the gun at end to prevent rust.
this includes the bolt. also applying grease at key points help it affect the bolts speed and smooth operation
Free floating
You can free float the original stock, just time and effort, and boyds makes a classic stock for the mosin that comes free floated and has same "look" but variety of colors
The aftermarket like mine from boyds , archangel or uti usually come free floated. BUT with the aftermarket laminate stocks, the rifles will slowly drop into the stock, later modification to re free float is necessary once the rifle has settled into the new stock, as im finding out. still accurate though just not as much at long ranges 300-600 its affecting the grouping.
Corrosive Ammo
The corrosive ammo is not bad, in most cases that is what the mosins like to shoot, and its cheap and easy to obtain. the downside of them is the corrosive effect which eats the rifling and inside of the barrel. basically more wear and tear on the gun with it, unless cleaned properly.
Now im personally anal about keeping my mosin clean and in working order. if using corrosive ammo, after a shoot i get my cleaning rods and wads, jam 1 down the barrel dripping in windex, this neutralizes the acidic nature of the powder. leave for a bit and the clean till dry, then using gun cleaning spray i dab my wads and clean gun. then lightly oil ALL parts of the gun at end to prevent rust.
this includes the bolt. also applying grease at key points help it affect the bolts speed and smooth operation
Been there
New member
Some interesting experiences:
1 The felt recoil is more a product of the stock design, not the round.
2 The effects of corrosive ammo are best dealt with using a modified metal funnel, inserted in the receiver end of the barrel, flushed with a jug of boiling water. This dries quickly and is then mopped with oil.
I used to use a .303 Brittish for NZRA competitions 200 - 900 yds , corrosive ammo, in those days, was all we had. No matter what, this was done immediately after returng from the range
3 For inexperienced shooters or those that were a bit recoil shy (like one of my friends) I pulled the projectiles & replaced them with 123grbts from 7.62x39 Chinese ammo , which gave better groups in both his MNs.
1 The felt recoil is more a product of the stock design, not the round.
2 The effects of corrosive ammo are best dealt with using a modified metal funnel, inserted in the receiver end of the barrel, flushed with a jug of boiling water. This dries quickly and is then mopped with oil.
I used to use a .303 Brittish for NZRA competitions 200 - 900 yds , corrosive ammo, in those days, was all we had. No matter what, this was done immediately after returng from the range
3 For inexperienced shooters or those that were a bit recoil shy (like one of my friends) I pulled the projectiles & replaced them with 123grbts from 7.62x39 Chinese ammo , which gave better groups in both his MNs.
Monday it took my gunsmith a little over an hour to fit a Boyds stock to my 1938 Tula barreled action.
I had planned to do it myself, but quickly realized it'd take more time & effort than I wanted to put into it, nowhere near a drop-in proposition.
Also installed a Smith adjustable front sight.
Shot two rifles yesterday, a $2000 FN Police Special .308 with heavy fluted barrel, solid synthetic stock, clean trigger, and decent Leupold tactical scope, and this Mosin with iron sights, typical military tolerances, three-mile trigger pull.
At 100 yards, best three-shot group with the FN was 1/2 inch with premium ammunition.
Best three-shot group with the Mosin was 3/4 inch, with Russian spam can surplus FMJ. The surplus beat out two commercial loads.
This Mosin with irons has outshot my PU sniper Mosin.
Not unpleasant at all to shoot in the Boyds stock.
And, as always, a few patches sprayed with Windex with vinegar down the bore when I got home, followed by Break Free patches. Too lazy to mess with pouring water down the barrel.
Denis
I had planned to do it myself, but quickly realized it'd take more time & effort than I wanted to put into it, nowhere near a drop-in proposition.
Also installed a Smith adjustable front sight.
Shot two rifles yesterday, a $2000 FN Police Special .308 with heavy fluted barrel, solid synthetic stock, clean trigger, and decent Leupold tactical scope, and this Mosin with iron sights, typical military tolerances, three-mile trigger pull.
At 100 yards, best three-shot group with the FN was 1/2 inch with premium ammunition.
Best three-shot group with the Mosin was 3/4 inch, with Russian spam can surplus FMJ. The surplus beat out two commercial loads.
This Mosin with irons has outshot my PU sniper Mosin.
Not unpleasant at all to shoot in the Boyds stock.
And, as always, a few patches sprayed with Windex with vinegar down the bore when I got home, followed by Break Free patches. Too lazy to mess with pouring water down the barrel.
Denis
Been there
New member
Tut tut Denis, yes the Boyds' stock makes quite a difference to the felt recoil.
I have a Boyds stock on my short-action Savage , they are great value.
Peter
I have a Boyds stock on my short-action Savage , they are great value.
Peter