More on Gore - He's now pro-CCW

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For cops, anyway. And he wants to drug test prisoners. I wonder if it's occured to him that the people bringing the drugs to the prison are also felons? The "logic-impaired" are sure to fall for it, though:


Gore calls for drug testing prisoners

ATLANTA - Vice President Al Gore proposed a
$500 million program Tuesday to drug-test
prisoners and parolees in an effort to rehabilitate
criminals, accusing Republican presidential rival
George W. Bush of slashing similar programs as
governor of Texas. ''I believe we should
demonstrate that criminals must get clean to get out
of jail. Governor Bush seems content to keep
pushing them out the same old revolving door,''
Gore said. The vice president also proposed using federal money to hire
50,000 new police officers across the country and said off-duty officers
should be allowed to carry concealed weapons. Gore is trying to cut into
Bush's advantage on the issue of crime with the Texas governor holding
about a 14-point edge over Gore in both a March and April CNN-USA
Today-Gallup poll.

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"Put a rifle in the hands of a Subject, and he immediately becomes a Citizen." -- Jeff Cooper

"The fact is that the average man's love of liberty is nine-tenths imaginary, exactly like his love of sense, justice and truth. He is not actually happy when free; he is uncomfortable, a bit alarmed, and intolerably lonely. Liberty is not a thing for the great masses of men. It is the exclusive possession of a small and disreputable minority, like knowledge, courage and honor. It takes a special sort of man to understand and enjoy liberty - and he is usually an outlaw in democratic societies." -- H.L. Mencken, February 12, 1923, Baltimore Evening Sun

"If God had not wanted them to be sheared, he would not have made them sheep." -- Bad guy from the Magnificent Seven.

"Don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blow." -- Bob Dylan
 
"I believe we should demonstrate that criminals must get clean to get out of jail."

That would be a lot simpler if he could simply demonstrate that he is able to keep drugs out of jail in the first place. He admits that drugs get into prison, yet instead of fixing the problem, he wants to add another program at our expense.

Is there ANYTHING in this guy's skull?
 
Hey, Didn't he invent that?

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We preserve our freedoms by using four boxes: soap,ballot,jury, and cartridge.
Anonymous
 
"aren't they already required to carry..."

Many are in their own jurisdictions but an Ohio (for example) would not be carrying in Illinios.

I do not support this quasi-feudal granting of privileges.

Rights for me but not for thee.

I am tired of the special "rights" granted to LEOs by government. Enough, already.

Rick

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"Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American." Tench Coxe 2/20/1788
 
I'll be *so* glad when the voters of America boot Al "Little Willie" Gore into early retirement.

"No more Gore!!!"
 
jimmy,

Don't hold your breath. "We the People" elected Clintoon twice, remember. The sheep love to be herded, its in their genetic code. And what with the Boomers about to retire, the masses are probably going to be voting for the candidate with the most perks for those about to retire (subsidized prescription meds is going to be the next big entitlement. Who can say no to free dope?)

Gore could very well be our next Prez and it looks better for Hitlary every day. God help us.
 
RickD,
What "special rights granted to LEOs" are you refering to?
-The high pay?
-The extreme respect you receive from your fellow citizens?
-Or maybe it is the great working conditions and hours?

If you are referring to LEOs being allowed to buy certain firearms or hicap magazines, an LEO cannot walk into a gun store and buy these toys. You must get a letter from your chief stating they are for "duty use and not personal use". When you leave the agency the LEO is required by law to turn them in, even though we paid for it with our own money. Sounds like a special right to me.

[This message has been edited by mrat (edited May 02, 2000).]
 
Sorry guys I think you missed it on this one. With Big Bird and Little Bird all you have to do is follow the money trail! Which national (or small wanna be) drug testing company gave the most to his campaign? I agree with the comment about the sheep voting them in. I just can't believe a rational adult can't see the dishonor this group has brought to our country. But I always say "God didn't say you couldn't be a ram"!!^o^
 
ArmySon - the "stupidity" you refer to belongs to the citizens of the US - not Gore. Like any "good" politician, Gore is only saying what the masses want to hear.

Think about it...

CMOS

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GOA, TSRA, LEAA, NRA, SAF and I vote!
 
This administration can't even keep drugs out of the White House. And they expect us to believe that they can keep illegal drugs out of prisons? OH, I SEE! We just empty all the prisons. Voila! No more drug problems in prisons.
 
Amen CMOS, Don't they all?

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We preserve our freedoms by using four boxes: soap,ballot,jury, and cartridge.
Anonymous
 
Glenn - If Gore is backing the LEAA sponsored bill, it will be the first step in making CCW reciprocity a fact of life, just the way drivers license reciprocity will.

I don't know what exactly he's supporting, and I don't support him anyway, but for LEOs to be able to carry concealed anywhere would be a good first step toward reciprocity.

Jeff
 
Jeff:

No, it does not. Reciprocity for police has nothing to do with civilians. IIRC, past reciprocity bills in Congress have paired police and civilians. They were opposed because of the civilian component.

I recall also, that the major police organizations (Not LEAA) were quite happy to separate them and were angry that the civilian part was tied to them. There WAS NO
support for the civilian reciprocity from groups like the FOP and the politically oriented chiefs' organizations.

They could have easily said they support CCW and reciprocity and they did not.

So reciprocity killed the bill.

Police are seen as a privileged governmental class that should be armed. Civilians are not seen as such. Police want to extend this privilege to themselves and care not about us.

(BIG CAVEAT - I am not talking about all police but the major organizations except for the LEAA).

It will be argued that police have significant training in firearms usage and the law that most CCW/CHLs do not. Thus, reciprocity makes sense for them and not for folks from states that have no or a 2 hour class. I have significant training but should some guy from VT with no training be allowed to wander about Ohio with a gun - that will be the argument made.

It will be argued that police face threats from vengeful crooks that might seek them out. You do not face such a threat.

It will be argued that police if armed can act in a law enforcement role in other localities given their training. Thus more on the street.

No one argues that the CHL/CCW acts in that manner. You might argue that given Lott and Kleck CCW acts as a deterrent but you don't see Al Gore ever acknowledging that data.
Nor do the political cop organizations. Pro CCW cops are a rare breed.

Thus, if the privilege/right/blessing from the gods is granted to cops under Gore - it will have no transfer to us.

In fact, there will be no animus from most cop organizatons (except those seen already as gun loonies) to support civilian CCW reciprocity or CCW at all. Those organizations will happily oppose CCW and then argue for cops to carry out of state.

It is simple - go back to the paired bill that gives cops and civilians reciprocity.

Why do the cops want to split it off?
I normally think too many folks are conspiracy freaks here but this one is obvious.

A cop from Florida on vacation in Montana has no more right to carry than I do when I go on vacation.

If the cops want it, they support us or we oppose the bill.

Gore is just trying to pander to cops and keep the state's control of firearms.

You might argue that if an out of state cop stops a crime that will argue that the law is good and support civilian reciprocity.

But has any top Democrat ever quoted a case that civilian use of firearmsn and CCW is a good thing as it stops crime. So what makes you think that they care about this argument now?
 
Glenn,

I don't know exactly what Gore is supporting and a case could probably be made that his call for CCW recirocity for LEOs would be another step towards federalization of local LE.

I think the IACP and other police "leadership" organizations will oppose this for liability reasons.

I think you'll find that most rank and file officers support concealed carry for civilians.

I think that in some areas there is even a move toward on-duty only carry for LEOs. I can't imagine what Gore is up to with all of this. If he thinks that he'll be able to say he's put so many more "cops on the street" by allowing them to be armed anywhere, that will be easy to refute. I can't say I know any officers who would take action, other then being a good witness, while on vacation several states away from where he/she works. Maybe under the same circumstances a civilian CCW would act but that's about it.

Jeff
 
A couple of disconnected points. Clinton won with 43% of the vote in '92 and roughly the same percentage in '96, with less than half the voting population going to the polls. With Bush pandering to the middle, there may not be a "Newt" backlash as there was in '96.
On the other hand, Gore has ticked off a lot of people, especially gun owners. If we show up in force, Gore is out.

Algore can try to appeal to the LEO's on reciprocity, but remember it was Bush who said that Texas is a safer place because he signed the CCW bill there. I was very proud of him when he said that.

Dick
 
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