More Americans killed every year by illegal aliens than in Iraq war!

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Like it or not, illegal immigrants make up a vital part of our labor pool. These are jobs that legal workers often reject such as farm work, construction, restaurants, and domestic helpers. If it were possible to round up all of the illegal imigrants, estimated at about 12 million people, many businesses would close. Prices of American grown produce would sky rocket and inflation would set in as a result of massive wage hikes to induce legal workers to fill those "less desirable jobs".

Yeah. I hear this argument all the time. I fully agree that illegals take jobs nobody else wants. Of course nobody else wants them because they don't pay minimum wage.

The problem isn't the job itself. As a kid I worked in restaurants, I worked on a farm, I did ranch work, I washed dishes and did lots of these jobs that "no one" is willing to do. The problem is that there are enough employers willing to employ these people at a substandard wage and at substandard working conditions.

I don't blame Americans for not wanting to work this way. After all its against the law.

But lets get hypothetical for a moment. Lets say that we actually did round up every single one of these folks and deported them back home. There isn't any emperical evidence that suggests that our economy would stop. In fact there isn't any evidence that our economy would even suffer.

Since its completely impractical to think that we could snap our fingers and have these illegals disappear, its also impractical to think that prices for things like vegetables would skyrocket over night. And since we are on that subject, would anybody here really be distraught if they had to pay $1.00 more for a cucumber? So what if brocolli increases 200%. You'll have to pay $3.00 instead of a buck. I'd say that's well worth knowing that the immigration laws are being enforced and that jobs are going to people who are here legally.

There is another problem here too. People like yourself always focus on the costs of booting out these criminals (because if we are honest thats what they are, criminals) but always ignore the benefits. How much money is spent on fees for emergency room care, or welfare, or food stamps. How much money has been obtained via fradulent means by use of fradulent documents.

To be perfectly blunt I'd be very surprised if we didn't actually prosper financially by deporting these folks. A trip to the ER costs alot more than some lima beans and a head of lettuce.
 
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When immigrants went on strike a few months back, did you notice any impact in your area (San Diego)? You live in Southern California otherwise known as "Northern Mexico". Many people stayed home from work for fear of immigration "raids". I suggest you look up the effect of that "strike" and tell me if it had an impact. They also were not supposed to spend any money at all that day. In Miami, we certainly felt some impact.

I guess I sympathise with some of them since I have worked with a few of them. All of them were very gard working and most of them sent most of their meager earnings back home to support their families. I guess I respect that sense of family and good work ethic. I don't believe in illegal immigration, but they have to do what they have to do to take care of their families. If you compare the wages in Mexico to the wages here, you would understand why they would take such risks to come here. A restaurant employee in Mexico makes about $200 - $300 a month. We are talking about $2400 - $3600 a year. That is like a tenth of the average salaries here.

As I said, I know the central american gang, MS-13, is becoming a very big menace, but most of the illegal immigrants I know are good, honest, hard working people. Most people blame them for lost jobs. More jobs are lost every year by large companies moving production overseas. Its just a matter of less developing countries moving up in the world. China is now the manufacturing powerhouse while India is home to many technical suppot call centers as well as programming jobs. Blame the companies that are moving jobs overseas and try buying only American made products. Good luck with that.
 
Inflammatory post subject, and the intent of the original poster is pretty transparent.

I don't mind resoned debate on the immigration subject, but I don't like spittle and froth flying.

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OP, you have mail.
 
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