Moral chaos in Central Park, part 2.
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Glenn E. Meyer
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Then the police would finally show up and arrest YOU. Bummer. You'd get the Bernie Goetz show playing right at your own home.
Glen - Are you assuming the person whipping off a few rounds is going to stand around and sip a Coke or something? Not this old fart!
Ever heard of somone fleeing the scene and never locate? Heard of it happening a few times over the years.
I know nothing's perfect but no one said it's easy either.
RKBA!
Ever heard of somone fleeing the scene and never locate? Heard of it happening a few times over the years.
I know nothing's perfect but no one said it's easy either.RKBA!
Dennis Olson
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What are the laws in NYC on carrying OC or other type of irritant spray?
Reminds me of what happend in grade school if you were caught in class with candy or gum....
"Did you bring enough for EVERYONE?"
Reminds me of what happend in grade school if you were caught in class with candy or gum....
"Did you bring enough for EVERYONE?"
Gabe Suarez
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OK, Rule Number One is do not travel in Communist Countries. In my book, NYC is just that.
Rule Number Two is simply the definition of Love. In my book it means that the happiness and welfare of another is more important than your own. You should be prepared to do anything necessary to protect a loved one - including die. If not, then call it something else.
Now, on to the NYC festivities. Let's say that through some quirk of natural order you find yourself there. Will you have your blaster with you? Probably not.
Some of us have made a decission to never be unarmed. In some areas and situations, due to a number of factors, the weapon must be kept in reserve to save yourself and your loved ones, not for the benefit of strangers.
Additionally, even if you do have the means, make double damn sure you know beyond a shadow of a doubt just exactly what is happening in front of you. A gang rape may really be a "jumping in" ceremony for the local gang pin cushion. Sorry to be graphic, but you really have to be sure. In a communist country, carrying (probably illegally-perish the thought), when you don't know whats up, probably not a good idea to deploy.
Now lets throw a little twist in there. You have no firearm (ol' law abiding you) but you have a blade. The victim is in fact, a protectee (wife, mom, daughter...take your pick). What now?
Do the cowardly and stand around wringing your hands until the mob is done with them? That is undoubtedly the choice of some people, but hardly something I want to consider. A far better option in this case is to move in and cut a couple of throats or more, I guarantee the mob will disperse.
Might you go to jail? Maybe? I'm prepared to do that to protect my loved ones. Remember Rule two!
The whole anti-warrior FNG thing was fairly well cussed & discussed in Glock Talk and, frankly I found the whole issue unsavory. If you are not prepared to take drastic means to save and protect your loved ones, do us all a favor and go in the back room with the proverbial Luger now. This will spare us having to hear the cowardly story later.
It seems some folks are really terrified to the bone of the criminal element. As well you should. But consider that these men are no different than you physically. They bleed and die just like you. They fear pain and damage just like you. That you cannot reason with them is certain, so don't try. When facing such a man you will either win or die. Both options are possible, its up to you.
As evidenced in a previous post- "there were dozens and dozens of hardened, prison-finished, socipathic thugs in that mob who have no concept of "tomorrow." They would kill you with only the slightest provocation and then go out and have lunch without giving it a
second thought."
These are exactly the characteristics that YOU MUST HAVE TO WIN A FIGHT!!! If you don't have 'em, don't fight. You must learn to switch off the civilized veneer on demand. This is more important than any mere weapon.
Get than brain going and program some serious violence in there for the time when you need it.
In summation:
Avoid unsecure places like a third world parade (who the hell would want to see that??)
Be sure before acting
When in a non-permissive environment - you and your family are number one.
If you or your family are threatened, stop being a plumber, doctor, or whatever and become the warrior.
Don't be a coward.
Just my take on the situation gentlemen,
Gabe Suarez
THE HALO GROUP www.thehalogroup.com
Rule Number Two is simply the definition of Love. In my book it means that the happiness and welfare of another is more important than your own. You should be prepared to do anything necessary to protect a loved one - including die. If not, then call it something else.
Now, on to the NYC festivities. Let's say that through some quirk of natural order you find yourself there. Will you have your blaster with you? Probably not.
Some of us have made a decission to never be unarmed. In some areas and situations, due to a number of factors, the weapon must be kept in reserve to save yourself and your loved ones, not for the benefit of strangers.
Additionally, even if you do have the means, make double damn sure you know beyond a shadow of a doubt just exactly what is happening in front of you. A gang rape may really be a "jumping in" ceremony for the local gang pin cushion. Sorry to be graphic, but you really have to be sure. In a communist country, carrying (probably illegally-perish the thought), when you don't know whats up, probably not a good idea to deploy.
Now lets throw a little twist in there. You have no firearm (ol' law abiding you) but you have a blade. The victim is in fact, a protectee (wife, mom, daughter...take your pick). What now?
Do the cowardly and stand around wringing your hands until the mob is done with them? That is undoubtedly the choice of some people, but hardly something I want to consider. A far better option in this case is to move in and cut a couple of throats or more, I guarantee the mob will disperse.
Might you go to jail? Maybe? I'm prepared to do that to protect my loved ones. Remember Rule two!
The whole anti-warrior FNG thing was fairly well cussed & discussed in Glock Talk and, frankly I found the whole issue unsavory. If you are not prepared to take drastic means to save and protect your loved ones, do us all a favor and go in the back room with the proverbial Luger now. This will spare us having to hear the cowardly story later.
It seems some folks are really terrified to the bone of the criminal element. As well you should. But consider that these men are no different than you physically. They bleed and die just like you. They fear pain and damage just like you. That you cannot reason with them is certain, so don't try. When facing such a man you will either win or die. Both options are possible, its up to you.
As evidenced in a previous post- "there were dozens and dozens of hardened, prison-finished, socipathic thugs in that mob who have no concept of "tomorrow." They would kill you with only the slightest provocation and then go out and have lunch without giving it a
second thought."
These are exactly the characteristics that YOU MUST HAVE TO WIN A FIGHT!!! If you don't have 'em, don't fight. You must learn to switch off the civilized veneer on demand. This is more important than any mere weapon.
Get than brain going and program some serious violence in there for the time when you need it.
In summation:
Avoid unsecure places like a third world parade (who the hell would want to see that??)
Be sure before acting
When in a non-permissive environment - you and your family are number one.
If you or your family are threatened, stop being a plumber, doctor, or whatever and become the warrior.
Don't be a coward.
Just my take on the situation gentlemen,
Gabe Suarez
THE HALO GROUP www.thehalogroup.com
Glenn E. Meyer
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Westex:
I'll probably be watching your buns fade into the distance on some video. Then Geraldo will moan about the racist tragedy at the parade and zoom in on your face.
Or your composite will be on America's Most Wanted.
Last, you will probably post on the group how you saved the day and the lurkers from #*$*$
will come for you
Remember Bernie Goetz syndrome - ND of mouth to the world.
[This message has been edited by Glenn E. Meyer (edited July 12, 2000).]
I'll probably be watching your buns fade into the distance on some video. Then Geraldo will moan about the racist tragedy at the parade and zoom in on your face.
Or your composite will be on America's Most Wanted.
Last, you will probably post on the group how you saved the day and the lurkers from #*$*$
will come for you
Remember Bernie Goetz syndrome - ND of mouth to the world.
[This message has been edited by Glenn E. Meyer (edited July 12, 2000).]
Glenn E. Meyer
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Oops, complicate issue. Just one thing, I usually present the FNG for argument's sake
as being an old fart academic, I think you should think out all positions.
When I argue with Armstrong, I take the position of Gabe Suarez and do what I need to do, even if I come to ill.
as being an old fart academic, I think you should think out all positions.
When I argue with Armstrong, I take the position of Gabe Suarez and do what I need to do, even if I come to ill.
Anyway I've shaved the beard, lost 40# and had a nose job.I remember hearing that one of the women had a husband who was assaulted and held back while his wife was molested. He was a French Tourist.
Now I was told way back when, when the subject of "you against the world" came up that "Grab the Biggest guy in the crowd and maim him, gouge his eyes out, crush his testes or bite off his nose, then look every one in the eye and then go for the next biggest. It's your only chance."
So with this in mind would it have worked in the New York case? With Hands, Knife and Gun ?
Now I was told way back when, when the subject of "you against the world" came up that "Grab the Biggest guy in the crowd and maim him, gouge his eyes out, crush his testes or bite off his nose, then look every one in the eye and then go for the next biggest. It's your only chance."
So with this in mind would it have worked in the New York case? With Hands, Knife and Gun ?
Good Evening Everyone-
Glenn has brilliantly boiled this down to one simple concept:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>
So does the cognition override the emotion and you deal with the PTSD later?[/quote]
Yes, you'll see the vicious crime, but you'll continue to be a productive citizen even with that horrible experience etched into your memory. This is the real world, we see terrible things that we would rather not, but we do. I've seen the crime scene corpse of one dear friend who was murdered in the early-1990's. Been there, done that. As a matter-of-fact, the experience has strengthened the resolve of my family to NEVER be a victim.
We seem to have a fairly significant amount of TFL posters who think it would be a really neat idea to get themselves killed without having contributed one iota towards helping those women in need. We need to be alive to be in the fight. We also need to be alive to see justice served.
Friends, let's flip the scenario. Let's say you're at a backyard bar-b-que party with dozens and dozens of your friends and co-workers. Suddenly, a stranger comes through the gate, pulls out a pistol, runs through the crowd and starts shooting because he/she feels strongly that eating bar-b-qued meat products is murder. How long would it take you and your friends to overpower this punk and shove that pistol where the sun don't shine? I'm guessing pretty darn quick...
If we were to respond, even given better tactics, we too would soon be overpowered given the huge number of opponents. Let's face it, we would need support to get the job done.
Gabe Suarez, where do you determine that I'm a coward from anything that I've posted?
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>The whole anti-warrior FNG thing was fairly well cussed & discussed in Glock Talk and, frankly I found the whole issue unsavory. If you are not prepared to take drastic means to save and protect your loved ones, do us all a favor and go in the back room with the proverbial Luger now. This will spare us having to hear the cowardly story later.[/quote]
You appear to be calling me a coward and I've never posted anything you've stated above. As a police officer, the honorable thing for you to do would be to apologize for completely misquoting me. If that's your insinuation, you're wrong. If my inference if off-target, we're cool. Trust me, as you state at the bottom of your post, I know how to "change my veneers."
From the Blue Jays post of 7/11/2000 @ 12:45 a.m.:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Attack me or my family? Hell hath no fury like Blue Jays unleashed, but until that time, the pistol stays holstered and I will do my best to help those in need.[/quote]
We're getting suggestions for dynamic entries with knives and pepperspray followed by an extraction of the battered women. Not for anything, I've got LEO buddies (Federal) who can use OC spray like the rest of us use Binaca Breath Freshener. It ain't the magic potion it's cracked-up to be. Drugged-up and drunk goblins aren't feeling too much pain, either.
We also have suggestions to shoot into a "safe backstop," and frighten the throng into submission. Friends, we are talking about MANHATTAN! Where is this "safe" place where the bullet is coming to rest? Making a center-of-mass shot under stress is hard enough, now we're going to look around for a nice, earthen mound to absorb the energy of the shot? The prosecutors love this! WOO HOO!
Besides, why is our esteemed shooter shooting if his/her life has not been placed in immediate, unavoidable danger? This episode only "turns the corner" when the goblins focus their evil intentions on YOU!
This thread is still very interesting. Let's not stray into ad hominem attacks and it's likely to stay enlightening for everyone.
Regards to all,
~ Blue Jays ~
[This message has been edited by Blue Jays (edited July 13, 2000).]
Glenn has brilliantly boiled this down to one simple concept:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>
So does the cognition override the emotion and you deal with the PTSD later?[/quote]
Yes, you'll see the vicious crime, but you'll continue to be a productive citizen even with that horrible experience etched into your memory. This is the real world, we see terrible things that we would rather not, but we do. I've seen the crime scene corpse of one dear friend who was murdered in the early-1990's. Been there, done that. As a matter-of-fact, the experience has strengthened the resolve of my family to NEVER be a victim.
We seem to have a fairly significant amount of TFL posters who think it would be a really neat idea to get themselves killed without having contributed one iota towards helping those women in need. We need to be alive to be in the fight. We also need to be alive to see justice served.
Friends, let's flip the scenario. Let's say you're at a backyard bar-b-que party with dozens and dozens of your friends and co-workers. Suddenly, a stranger comes through the gate, pulls out a pistol, runs through the crowd and starts shooting because he/she feels strongly that eating bar-b-qued meat products is murder. How long would it take you and your friends to overpower this punk and shove that pistol where the sun don't shine? I'm guessing pretty darn quick...
If we were to respond, even given better tactics, we too would soon be overpowered given the huge number of opponents. Let's face it, we would need support to get the job done.
Gabe Suarez, where do you determine that I'm a coward from anything that I've posted?
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>The whole anti-warrior FNG thing was fairly well cussed & discussed in Glock Talk and, frankly I found the whole issue unsavory. If you are not prepared to take drastic means to save and protect your loved ones, do us all a favor and go in the back room with the proverbial Luger now. This will spare us having to hear the cowardly story later.[/quote]
You appear to be calling me a coward and I've never posted anything you've stated above. As a police officer, the honorable thing for you to do would be to apologize for completely misquoting me. If that's your insinuation, you're wrong. If my inference if off-target, we're cool. Trust me, as you state at the bottom of your post, I know how to "change my veneers."
From the Blue Jays post of 7/11/2000 @ 12:45 a.m.:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Attack me or my family? Hell hath no fury like Blue Jays unleashed, but until that time, the pistol stays holstered and I will do my best to help those in need.[/quote]
We're getting suggestions for dynamic entries with knives and pepperspray followed by an extraction of the battered women. Not for anything, I've got LEO buddies (Federal) who can use OC spray like the rest of us use Binaca Breath Freshener. It ain't the magic potion it's cracked-up to be. Drugged-up and drunk goblins aren't feeling too much pain, either.
We also have suggestions to shoot into a "safe backstop," and frighten the throng into submission. Friends, we are talking about MANHATTAN! Where is this "safe" place where the bullet is coming to rest? Making a center-of-mass shot under stress is hard enough, now we're going to look around for a nice, earthen mound to absorb the energy of the shot? The prosecutors love this! WOO HOO!
Besides, why is our esteemed shooter shooting if his/her life has not been placed in immediate, unavoidable danger? This episode only "turns the corner" when the goblins focus their evil intentions on YOU!
This thread is still very interesting. Let's not stray into ad hominem attacks and it's likely to stay enlightening for everyone.
Regards to all,
~ Blue Jays ~
[This message has been edited by Blue Jays (edited July 13, 2000).]
Let me ask the same question a different way.
Near as I can tell, everyone here would fight like a cornered weasel if their own family was in the centre of that group of critters, yes?
Now, let's pretend it's not a stranger being assualted. It's your wife and/or daughter being sexually assaulted. The ones you'd fight to protect. And you aren't there.
Let's say you're busy at work. And your most precious thing in the world is in the centre of that mess.
Would you still suggest that I call 911, be a good witness, prepare for a detailed police report--basically observe as the rape continues?
Let's be truthful now.
LawDog
[This message has been edited by LawDog (edited July 13, 2000).]
Near as I can tell, everyone here would fight like a cornered weasel if their own family was in the centre of that group of critters, yes?
Now, let's pretend it's not a stranger being assualted. It's your wife and/or daughter being sexually assaulted. The ones you'd fight to protect. And you aren't there.
Let's say you're busy at work. And your most precious thing in the world is in the centre of that mess.
Would you still suggest that I call 911, be a good witness, prepare for a detailed police report--basically observe as the rape continues?
Let's be truthful now.
LawDog
[This message has been edited by LawDog (edited July 13, 2000).]
Munro Williams
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Back in '42 the Japanese Navy outnumbered ours by about a hundred to one and decided to invade Midway, with the intention of later overwhelming Hawaii and threatening the continental USA.
Since we were outnumbered and didn't stand a chance of affecting the outcome, the US Navy did the sensible thing and let Yamamoto have his way, and we lost the war.
It's the same thing, folks.
I've given this some thought. Over here (in Japan) no one does anything at all. A psychotic 17 year old waved a knife around, hijacked a bus, killed a poor old lady, and no one, I mean no one, did anything. This in a country where at least five percent of the population has a black belt!
A couple of years ago another maniac got aboard a JAL flight, waved a knife around, and demanded access to the cockpit. The stewardess let him in, where he stabbed the pilot to death and then took the 747 for a joy ride. Seems he had a flight simulation program at home and wanted to fly a real airplane.
Doing nothing is the absolute worst thing you can possibly do.
As for the Central Park thing, it seems to me that ripping hell out of at least one of these animals would have provided enough distraction to the mob that they would have had something more amusing to keep their attention, allowing the women to escape. Of course, the good guy could also have been beaten to death by the mob, but this would also provide a distraction allowing the women to escape.
What kind of weak s--- are we made of these days?
Zola wrote, "I will not be silent for I will not be an accomplice."
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ALARM! ALARM! CIVILIZATION IS IN PERIL! THE BARBARIANS HAVE TAKEN THE GATES!
Since we were outnumbered and didn't stand a chance of affecting the outcome, the US Navy did the sensible thing and let Yamamoto have his way, and we lost the war.
It's the same thing, folks.
I've given this some thought. Over here (in Japan) no one does anything at all. A psychotic 17 year old waved a knife around, hijacked a bus, killed a poor old lady, and no one, I mean no one, did anything. This in a country where at least five percent of the population has a black belt!
A couple of years ago another maniac got aboard a JAL flight, waved a knife around, and demanded access to the cockpit. The stewardess let him in, where he stabbed the pilot to death and then took the 747 for a joy ride. Seems he had a flight simulation program at home and wanted to fly a real airplane.
Doing nothing is the absolute worst thing you can possibly do.
As for the Central Park thing, it seems to me that ripping hell out of at least one of these animals would have provided enough distraction to the mob that they would have had something more amusing to keep their attention, allowing the women to escape. Of course, the good guy could also have been beaten to death by the mob, but this would also provide a distraction allowing the women to escape.
What kind of weak s--- are we made of these days?
Zola wrote, "I will not be silent for I will not be an accomplice."
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ALARM! ALARM! CIVILIZATION IS IN PERIL! THE BARBARIANS HAVE TAKEN THE GATES!
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Friends, let's flip the scenario. Let's say you're at a backyard bar-b-que party with dozens and dozens of your
friends and co-workers. Suddenly, a stranger ...starts shooting ...How long would it take you and your friends to overpower this punk and shove that pistol where the sun don't shine? I'm guessing pretty darn quick...[/quote]
Hm. Sounds suspiciously like doing the right thing when (because?) it's easy. We all have to do the right thing- well, at least, I do- every day. I have to live a life worth living. While I also attempt to stay away from unhealthy environs and especially repressive boroughs, I will stand by and watch no obvious innocent die. (As opposed to seeing them cooling already- then, I can't help.) For those of you who can, you have to do what you have to do. Just don't crowd me- I can't take the stench.
friends and co-workers. Suddenly, a stranger ...starts shooting ...How long would it take you and your friends to overpower this punk and shove that pistol where the sun don't shine? I'm guessing pretty darn quick...[/quote]
Hm. Sounds suspiciously like doing the right thing when (because?) it's easy. We all have to do the right thing- well, at least, I do- every day. I have to live a life worth living. While I also attempt to stay away from unhealthy environs and especially repressive boroughs, I will stand by and watch no obvious innocent die. (As opposed to seeing them cooling already- then, I can't help.) For those of you who can, you have to do what you have to do. Just don't crowd me- I can't take the stench.
Okay, honestly, guys, when I posted the "fire a shot" post I was picturing what a cop could do about the crowd - I was kind of replying to something about what a cop could have done about this without waiting for 1000 backup cops - I'm not going back to reread all the posts, maybe I was just thinking along those lines after watching Geraldo "cops led by Dems are always good, cops led by repubs are always bad" Rivera.
Any thought of a civilian doing this in NY, since noone can carry legally and would be mad to risk it in such a crowded nasty place (even those who carry illegally in their own state), would be purely hypothetical.
Is far as what "I" would do in such a situation? Don't know for sure, wasn't there. I can guess from the crowd's response in the video that most bystanders seemed to be having a pretty good time watching. In retrospect, I like to think that I wouldn't have sat there giggling like a 3 year old and gawking at a woman being stripped by force - but I wasn't there so I don't know. For those who've made the decision that they would intervene if they saw a stranger being attacked - is this the kind of nasty situation you picture, where the "average" person is having a good time? (I.e. not a lubys full of screaming patrons invaded by snarling bikers).
On the subject of intervening when you see someone else attacked, someone made a good point. You may find yourself acting without having all the facts of what's going on.
And the criminal/civil law will nail you to a cross even if you are in the right.
Battler.
Any thought of a civilian doing this in NY, since noone can carry legally and would be mad to risk it in such a crowded nasty place (even those who carry illegally in their own state), would be purely hypothetical.
Is far as what "I" would do in such a situation? Don't know for sure, wasn't there. I can guess from the crowd's response in the video that most bystanders seemed to be having a pretty good time watching. In retrospect, I like to think that I wouldn't have sat there giggling like a 3 year old and gawking at a woman being stripped by force - but I wasn't there so I don't know. For those who've made the decision that they would intervene if they saw a stranger being attacked - is this the kind of nasty situation you picture, where the "average" person is having a good time? (I.e. not a lubys full of screaming patrons invaded by snarling bikers).
On the subject of intervening when you see someone else attacked, someone made a good point. You may find yourself acting without having all the facts of what's going on.
And the criminal/civil law will nail you to a cross even if you are in the right.
Battler.
Gabe Suarez
New member
OK, let's keep things in perspective. I, and apparently many others as well, feel strongly on these points. I have not seen ONE dead crime victim, but several. This has given me a perspective that is, perhaps, different than the mainstream.
I think that heroism is a quality that many in our society fear because they are not up to its demands or responsabilities. Its much easier to be coddled as a poor victim. Decrying the term "warrior", in my mind, is part of this fear. I for one would rather be thought of as a warrior than a peasant. But the choice is yours.
Now, on to my quoted quote:
"The whole anti-warrior FNG thing was fairly well cussed & discussed in Glock Talk and, frankly I found the whole issue unsavory.
IF YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO TAKE DRASTIC MEANS
TO SAVE AND PROTECT YOUR LOVED ONES, do us all a favor and go in the back room with the proverbial Luger now. This will spare us having to hear the cowardly story later."
OK, I said it.
You responded - "You appear to be CALLING ME A COWARD and I've never posted anything you've stated above. As a police officer, the honorable thing for you to do would be to apologize for completely misquoting me. If that's your insinuation, you're wrong. If my inference if off-target, we're cool. Trust me, as you state at the bottom of your post, I know how to "change my veneers."
OK, my response:
I think you're taking my post too personal. You were the first, I think, to mention that regretable FNG topic, and perhaps my mention of it in my own post made it appear as if I was targeting you. Such is not the case partner. I think we're cool as well.
The bottom line about all this stuff is that if you are sure in your actions, then act! When its my own family or other protectees of mine are in danger, stand by because its going to get ugly. I think its the same for you.
As I said, oftentimes you will not be sure of what you have. In these cases, don't jump in because it may not be what you think.
As far as for those who are timid and squeamish about being savages when the time comes to protect your family, I'll throw out a little story for you. I apologize for the length. Yes, I was there, but not until much later. The results speak for themsleves.
A street vagrant breaks into a house in Santa Monica axe in hand and announces his intention to "kill everyone there". It seems he'd been getting food scraps for a few weeks from the residents and he took it personal when they cut him off.
The young and able bodied man of the house, being a firm beleiver in PSTD, FNG, and being a little low on the testosterone scale, is last seen running away shouting for help.
Oh yes, I almost forgot...he left his pregnant wife and two year old child behind. Apparently he wanted to be a good witness and spare his family the stress and trauma of seeing poor ol' daddy hurt in any way.
The wife, more of a man than he, grabs up the little kid and makes for the front door. Being a little slow due to her condition, the vagrant, doing his best Jack Nicholson imitation, wacks her right on the back with the axe! she goes down just outside the threshold.
At this point a couple of officers show up and point on him with their pistols. They too were advocates of the PSTD, FNG, ECT stuff and had absolutely no intention of shooting him.
I suppose the poor guys became hoarse in the throat from yelling at the bad guy as he wacked her a few more times and then proceeded to procure a bottle of gasoline and pour it all over her. Perhaps he didn't hear their repetitive command of "stop or I'll shoot" over the screaming child?
After the bottle was empty, he brings out a bic lighter. HMM, wadda ya think he had in mind. Officers are still yelling. The Bic doesn't work. Frustrated at all the bad luck, the vagrant snatches up the boy in one hand, the axe in the other and walks off with more officers surrounding him.
No one shoots him, even as he begins to slice the kid's leg with the axe.
Eventually, the bad guy is taken into custody , unhurt, and eventually he is pronounced crazy in court. The mom will never be the same, and much the same can be said for the child.
The dad? Oh, he's fine. he gave us a great story and description of exactly what happened, and was a great witness in trial. I suppose he was able to be really supportive to his family during all the reconstructive surgeries. He is an FNG, PSTD poster boy. I still think he is a craven poltroon unfit for the company of real men.
Thanks for listening, and I certainly did not call you a coward.
Gabe Suarez
THE HALO GROUP www.thehalogroup.com
I think that heroism is a quality that many in our society fear because they are not up to its demands or responsabilities. Its much easier to be coddled as a poor victim. Decrying the term "warrior", in my mind, is part of this fear. I for one would rather be thought of as a warrior than a peasant. But the choice is yours.
Now, on to my quoted quote:
"The whole anti-warrior FNG thing was fairly well cussed & discussed in Glock Talk and, frankly I found the whole issue unsavory.
IF YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO TAKE DRASTIC MEANS
TO SAVE AND PROTECT YOUR LOVED ONES, do us all a favor and go in the back room with the proverbial Luger now. This will spare us having to hear the cowardly story later."
OK, I said it.
You responded - "You appear to be CALLING ME A COWARD and I've never posted anything you've stated above. As a police officer, the honorable thing for you to do would be to apologize for completely misquoting me. If that's your insinuation, you're wrong. If my inference if off-target, we're cool. Trust me, as you state at the bottom of your post, I know how to "change my veneers."
OK, my response:
I think you're taking my post too personal. You were the first, I think, to mention that regretable FNG topic, and perhaps my mention of it in my own post made it appear as if I was targeting you. Such is not the case partner. I think we're cool as well.
The bottom line about all this stuff is that if you are sure in your actions, then act! When its my own family or other protectees of mine are in danger, stand by because its going to get ugly. I think its the same for you.
As I said, oftentimes you will not be sure of what you have. In these cases, don't jump in because it may not be what you think.
As far as for those who are timid and squeamish about being savages when the time comes to protect your family, I'll throw out a little story for you. I apologize for the length. Yes, I was there, but not until much later. The results speak for themsleves.
A street vagrant breaks into a house in Santa Monica axe in hand and announces his intention to "kill everyone there". It seems he'd been getting food scraps for a few weeks from the residents and he took it personal when they cut him off.
The young and able bodied man of the house, being a firm beleiver in PSTD, FNG, and being a little low on the testosterone scale, is last seen running away shouting for help.
Oh yes, I almost forgot...he left his pregnant wife and two year old child behind. Apparently he wanted to be a good witness and spare his family the stress and trauma of seeing poor ol' daddy hurt in any way.
The wife, more of a man than he, grabs up the little kid and makes for the front door. Being a little slow due to her condition, the vagrant, doing his best Jack Nicholson imitation, wacks her right on the back with the axe! she goes down just outside the threshold.
At this point a couple of officers show up and point on him with their pistols. They too were advocates of the PSTD, FNG, ECT stuff and had absolutely no intention of shooting him.
I suppose the poor guys became hoarse in the throat from yelling at the bad guy as he wacked her a few more times and then proceeded to procure a bottle of gasoline and pour it all over her. Perhaps he didn't hear their repetitive command of "stop or I'll shoot" over the screaming child?
After the bottle was empty, he brings out a bic lighter. HMM, wadda ya think he had in mind. Officers are still yelling. The Bic doesn't work. Frustrated at all the bad luck, the vagrant snatches up the boy in one hand, the axe in the other and walks off with more officers surrounding him.
No one shoots him, even as he begins to slice the kid's leg with the axe.
Eventually, the bad guy is taken into custody , unhurt, and eventually he is pronounced crazy in court. The mom will never be the same, and much the same can be said for the child.
The dad? Oh, he's fine. he gave us a great story and description of exactly what happened, and was a great witness in trial. I suppose he was able to be really supportive to his family during all the reconstructive surgeries. He is an FNG, PSTD poster boy. I still think he is a craven poltroon unfit for the company of real men.
Thanks for listening, and I certainly did not call you a coward.
Gabe Suarez
THE HALO GROUP www.thehalogroup.com
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