Mod terroizes gun owners at AR15.COM !!

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I do admit that it is strange George Hill.

And I AM NOT supporting "paul308" or what he did.

I just dont like to see people slam AR15.com when there is no justification to do so.

PS,
Although I disagree with a lot of the stuff here at TFL, I try to keep it to myself. Thats why I rarely post on GD (anymore) and limit myself to the reloading forum...

PPS,
No hard feelings. And no, thats not a pre-emptive apology. ;)
 
BigPig - in all seriousness - if you have issues with TFL... You can email any staff here and we can talk about it.
TFL is different from other gun forums for a reason. Call it what you like, but we have our place and the other forums have theres.
 
George Hill,

No, I have no problem with TFL, or its polocies per se. I may not agree with them, but I abide by them (or try my best) because this is not my site and posting here is not my right.

Im not trying to openly attack this board, but simply pointing out its "faults" (bad word, but I cant think of a better one) when others are pointing out AR15.com's.

Again, no hard feelings. I hope I am not comming across as an angry and babbling punk.
 
I agree with BigPig...
There is no reason to bash Ar15.com....so don't do it, capishe.

This is not an "us or them"...its an individual gone rogue. Yes, it does spill over temporarily, but it isn't official....give Ed some time to work it out. Blast Paul, it was his action, not Ed's.

Keep it that way

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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" RKBA!
 
I've been a member at AR15.com for about a year now. Yes it has it's flame fests and heated arguments, but I've learned to NOT READ THEM. I don't care if somebody called somebody else a poopy pants or whatever. It's just not in my interest.
 
GUYS LIKE THIS ARE A GOOD REASON TO PAY WITH CREDIT CARD, I HAD A SIMILAR THING HAPPEN WITH ELLISONS A WHILE BACK, he acted like a j*** and threatened not to refund money for stuff he didn't even have. VISA charged him back the full amount and credited it to my account. He told me at least six months before I would get my refund, I had my moneyy in 6 days.

[This message has been edited by TABING (edited October 02, 2000).]
 
I pretty much stopped going there. There's just to much drama on that board, flaming, mods are out of control, I just don't want to be associated with it. I pulled myself from the email list last year (after 3 years) because of similar goings on, particularly the advocation of criminal activities. Recently Ed and I exchanged a few eamils about the way things were being handled, and I wasn't satisfied with his response. They really need to get their house in order.
 
Yes, we are (I am) one and the same. I originally signed up on TFL as MountainMan44, which is what I have used on boards for a long time, but somehow I managed to lock up the name and keep myself from using in in the process- thus was born MountainGun44.

I actually bought some mags from Paul last November- just before the deadline in CA. They were refinished USGI mags. He did the best work I have ever seen. The only problem was the BS factor. I waited and waited while he made excuses. It seemed like every member of his family was suffering a lingering death that required his constant attention. Despite the fact that he had a business to run and there should be no excuses I, along with many others, extended our sympathy and patience- believing what he told us at face value and giving him the benefit of the doubt. After a period of time it became ridiculous. I don't know what to believe about his situation.

Bottom line:

If you do business with a real business you know what the rules are. If you do business with someone who is "playing business" out of his garage, you may end up getting screwed. Legitimate complaints should not be taken personally and met with insults and attacks. That is a sure sign that you are not dealing with a real business.

The customer is always right. If you can't deal with it, get a job working for the County and leave business to businessmen.
 
Since this thread is also going on over at Glocktalk, do we still need it here?

Why denounce another board on the others?
 
I went to the 15 board and read the thread as I suppose most of you have.A couple of people have tried the same type of scam on ebay.They are now faceing federal charges.This scam amounted to over 9000 dollars.I don't want to post on the 15 board but if someone who does wants to tell them to contact a federal prosacuter(sp).This comes under their juristiction and they will do something about it.

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Bob--- Age and deceit will overcome youth and speed.
I'm old and deceitful.
 
jeeeeeze. I can't get away from this stuff. If it isn't this issue on Glocktalk, AR15 and TFL, it's people getting banned on AK-47.net and Assaultweb or getting flamed on HK91.net!!!! Strife amongst all of the RKBA on-line brethren today!!! I think I'll just go reload for a while......
 
I've read the posts on AR15 and on this board. I think this is a valid topic for discussion, as most of us have purchased or will purchase something on a forum.

I'm not bashing AR15.com as a site, but the situation has been poorly handled. A crisis has developed as a result. A crisis usually has four factors:
1) Substantial loss is at stake.

Yeah, this is not the Cuban missle crisis, but $9000+ has changed hands and gone down a hole.

2) Little time is available to act.

The folks who sent their money in know that the longer they go without a refund, the less likely they are to get a refund

3) High uncertainty exists because of an utter lack of critical information.

Here is the responsibility of the forum. I saw numerous cryptic messages from moderators/administrators alluding to behind-the-scenes inquiries, telling folks to back off. These types of machinations by the administrators are fueling the fire and escalting the situation because they lack any useful information and verge on flippant in their prose.

4)There is a sense of narrowing options for resolving the crisis

With the forum owners witholding information, Paul threatening legal action and folks offering hackneyed 'caveat emptor' posts, the folks who were defrauded are seeing no way out.


While the owners/administators of the forum are not responsible for the initial fiasco, the are responsible for perpetuating a crisis by:
1) their failure to provide information to the defrauded regarding their grievances. No matter what the reason for the mags not being available (a factor obviously beyond the control of AR15.com), AR15.com has to determine why refunds have not been promptly issued AND they have to share this information with their readers.

2) failing to set up a schedule for proposed solutions (e.g. refunds), thereby perpetuating the urgency factor. In a vacuum of information, people assume the guy has spent the money on something else and has insufficient funds for refunds. These people want their money NOW, because the longer this goes on, the more likely it is they will never get a dime back.

3) By failing to reassure their readers/posters that they are vigorously pursuing every option to secure a refund.

Lots of lessons to be learned here, and caveat emptor is just one of them.

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I would like to say that I did not post this to bash the ar15 board. I posted it to let everyone know what kind of thieve Paul308 is and maybe to put pressure on him so that people WILL get their refunds.

He offended me by saying he was going to sue and terrorize the victims because they own guns!
 
He's gonna sue? My current lawyer (yeah, I've hired three within the past 5 years :() required a retainer in the multi thousands of dollars and charges the meager fee of $250 an hour PLUS ALL expenses. I say, let him sue! I guess I'm kinda punchy since I just received my monthly invoice from my lawyer. :eek:
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DarkMatter:
pooF! and it's gone![/quote]

Sorry, not gone, but moved. :D
 
I know this is still an issue - but it's an AR15.com's issue.

Due to a couple complaints by loyal AR forums members that happen to be here as well - I am closing this thread.

Guys - if you want to continue this one - take it to AR15.com, Okay?
 
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