ML Primers

Be careful!

I were going to cast conicals for my TC, I'd probably cast an all lead, well lubed oversized projectile.
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There is a heck of a difference between loading a tight sabot and loading an over-sized ball, or Minie style projectile. I tried a Hornady FPB which is a copper jacketed "no skirt" Minie style projectile. They looked cool and worth trying. They mic out at .507 at the base. It was "hernia class" hard to load in the T/C. Might be much better in a different gun.

Birch
 
I got the TC Omega Z5
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I had one of those before I upgraded to an Encore. Fantastic shooter. It loved 100 grn of loose 777 powder pushing a 250grn Hornady SST with the low-drag sabot and a 777 primer. I could get 3-shot groups that were almost cloverleafed.

The choice of a regular 209 shotgun primer or a specific ML 209 sized primer is dependent on the powder you are using. If you are using Pyrodex or 777, then use a primer made for a ML only. They both need the hotter ignition. If you are using Blackhorn 209, then I believe you need to use a regular 209 primer.
 
There is a heck of a difference between loading a tight sabot and loading an over-sized ball, or Minie style projectile. I tried a Hornady FPB which is a copper jacketed "no skirt" Minie style projectile. They looked cool and worth trying. They mic out at .507 at the base. It was "hernia class" hard to load in the T/C. Might be much better in a different gun.

Birch
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Birch, I tried these quite a bit in both my TC and my Savage. They were a bear to load in either but actually easier in the TC due to the flared muzzle. They were nearly impossible to get into the Savage. FYI...they didn't shoot any better than most sabot/bullet combos I tried. They were "OK" but not great. In case some of you don't know it, PowerBelts are so loose in some guns that if you hang the gun upside down in a stand they suggest you push the bullet back down on the powder. They will actually move off the charge. I got them to shoot pretty good but they performed poorly on deer. After shooting seven whitetails with them I trashed them. They disintegrate on impact. I've never recovered an entire bullet, never had a pass through, and in two cases had the bullet explode on the outer hide and never even penetrate the animal. They're for people too lazy to find a good load or have no idea of what good bullet performance really is.
 
BLE:
I have never used muzzle loading 209s in my BP shotshells and regular 209s work just fine in those. It's splitting hairs mostly and maybe an excuse to price gouge because the box of primers has a picture of a muzzleloader on it.

It's like motor oil, put a picture of a motorcycle on the label and the price doubles.
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You aren't considering the fact the BP shotshells generally have a crimp that will contain the initial push of the exploding primer. I use regular 209s in BP shotshells also.

Doyle:
The choice of a regular 209 shotgun primer or a specific ML 209 sized primer is dependent on the powder you are using. If you are using Pyrodex or 777, then use a primer made for a ML only. They both need the hotter ignition. If you are using Blackhorn 209, then I believe you need to use a regular 209 primer.
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ML primers are not as hot as shotgun 209 primers. 777 and Pyro need ignition that is generally hotter than percussion caps, but do not need ignition as hot as standard shotgun 209 primers. BH209 needs hotter ignition, and recommends standard shotgun 209 primers.
 
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ML primers are not as hot as shotgun 209 primers. 777 and Pyro need ignition that is generally hotter than percussion caps, but do not need ignition as hot as standard shotgun 209 primners. BH209 needs hotter ignition, and recommends standard shotgun 209 primers
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Yea, I keep getting that backwards. I remembered that BH209 needs regular and 777 needs ML primers but I got the reasons backwards.
 
Thanks for all the info guys, Looks like I'm gonna have some fun figuring out what will and will not work, (which is the most fun in shooting anyway).

I like the idea of sabots and my cast pistol bullets.

Looks like I have to come up with a shopping list to buy a bit of everything to see what's gonna work. TC supplies a reloading guide with its BP rifles, guess I'll start there and do some tweaking.

Thanks again.
 
Regular 209 primers vs muzzleloading 209 primers.

Don't forget that when the very first muzzleloading rifles that use 209 primers were introduced, there was no such thing as a muzzleloading specific 209 primer.

I bet those regular 209 primers you got a whole bunch of will work just fine.
 
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