"Minority" TFLers. How do liberals react to you?

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Dangus

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This is a question for all the "minority" TFLers. Do you feel that you are:

A) Suprising to liberals, making them rethink their positions about guns because you are a minority.

B) Regarded as a thug, or a gangster because you have guns.

C) Not reacted to any differently

D) Treated as a traitor for not being a liberal.(Most liberals I know just assume most minorities are liberals as well).


I am just curious. I know there are "minority" members here, who I'm sure don't get too much mistreatment from fellow TFLers, but I just want to know how the liberals react to you, considering how big a deal they always make of race.


On a related note, how many "minority" TFLers are members of militias or similar organizations. (the mainstream media always potrays militias as neo-nazis or cults, so I think this is an interesting question). If you dont feel comfortable saying which organization that's fine, I'm just curious if any of you are members of them.

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The Alcove

I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me
 
I think I would have to choose B. Too many people think of "Scarface" when I mention that I am Cuban. Hard to tell, though. I try not to hang out very much with liberals, thieves, swindlers or other people of low character.
We (Americans of Cuban descent) tend to be thought of by liberals as gun-toting, cigar-chomping, raft-paddling, Democrat-hating fruitcakes. After having our poop-chutes resized by Kennedy and his illegitimate ideological whelp, Clinton, I can't argue with the description. In fact, I sort of enjoy it.


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Those who use arms well cultivate the Way and keep the rules.Thus they can govern in such a way as to prevail over the corrupt- Sun Tzu, The Art of War
 
Are jews considered a minority, when it comes to gun owners, i say yes.

Well, I am an jewish, and orthodox to be exact. Not like the fake orthodox the media is labeling LIEberman either. I carry my gun out at work, but wear a baseball hat instead of my yarmulke (beenie). I talk to everyone and with my gun showing I get questions about it and I get to talk about politics which is my first love. I talk to everyone black and white gang membersa and militia guys. The militia guys are shocked when I tell them I am jewish.

Orthodox jews pray 3 times a day and when I get home I go to services, with my gun open carry (legal in Indiana). I talk to the people in my congregation, and they accept it and I have taken several of them shooting. most of them would probably never own a gun, they accept it and know why I carry it. Many of them, I mean all of them, are glad I come to synagouge and are even more grateful I bring my "insurance" with me. The rabbi told me he feels safer when I am there.

I am an NRA, GOA, SAF, CCRKBA, and JPFO member. I am heavily involved and also a member of a local gun rights group called the Michiana second amendment advocates.

Most jews are anti-gun, and most of them are reformed jews. Believe me I don't fit the mold, but I am changing them over one by one.

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"We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force."

--Ayn Rand, in "The Nature of Government"

http://hometown.aol.com//jsax13/web.html
 
I spent about an hour this morning, handing out leaflets at a Crossroads gun show. I probably 'met' somewhere around 1,200 people.

Native Americans, Whites, African Americans, Latinos, Asians ... men and women ... young and old. Some asked what it was, and I said it was some little thing about that obsolete concept ... freedom. Lots of positive comments, and it didn't vary depending upon color. I enjoyed it, and it gladdened my heart again to be an American.

I know that is not what you're looking for in this thread, so please excuse the digression. But, I just couldn't help but think back upon my morning. We still have a great country in many, many ways.

Regards from AZ

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Although I know that "minority" in quotes like that mainly means African-American, I just want to add my .02:

As a Lebanese-American female, early 30s and artsy/bookish (MFA in fiction, cat's eye glasses and working in a facility "for the children,"), I find myself a definite minority as far as pro-RKBA conservatives go. Inevitably, people I work with, know from the arts community or just meet immediately assume I am a liberal. I love to gauge their reactions when they realize their mistake...."whaddaya mean we, Paleface?"


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Minority ? Well uhh, where I live I am the majority (L.A.), the only time I get "Regarded as a thug, or a gangster because you have guns" is from the older white guys at the range. Most guys at my range are pretty cool, but I get looks and presumptous comments ("I thought you guys only shot yo 9's. Der hee-hee") from the Ted Kazcinski looking militia types.

I would have to say old vs. young is a bigger problem. Whenever I come in a group(white, latino, asian, whatever) the older guys get intimidated and give us a big hassle. THAT is way more frustrating than any uninformed ignorant comment made by a "liberal". To assume my friends and I have no concern or knowledge of firearms safety, and that we're just a bunch of flippant homies/dudes lookin to blast some cool looking tupperware we saw in "Shaft".

Oh yea, gun ownership is high among Asians and Latinos. Both tend to be politically conservative.



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As a pale face here in kali, I am the minority compared to all non whites, guess this isnt what you were looking for. Liberals react to me as the stereotypical super dominant male with guns that seek to destroy the environment and oppress all minorities and women. I could only get worse by wearing an SS uniform.

Duck Hunt you shoulda said you are from the better half of the mold earlier, I could have thrown a much admired comment your way. :)
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>I could only get worse by wearing an SS uniform.[/quote]

Nah, if you put on the SS uniform, you'd just kill them and there'd be noone left to judge you.

The fact that you haven't shot these people, or anyone else they know of should teach them something. Unfortunately liberals don't learn very easily.

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The Alcove

I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me
 
I am a gun owner.

I am a patriot.

Therefore, I am a "minority." :mad:

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God, Guns and Guts made this country a great country!

oberkommando sez:
"We lost the first and third and now they are after the Second!(no pun intended)"
 
I am A) and B)

Throw one more factor into the mix once you get past my "minority" appearance, I have tattoos. LOTS of em.

It doesn't matter if the person is a liberal. It could be anybody. Most people that see me for the very first time view me as some thug because I am young. I have tattoos and I shoot guns. Most wouldn't recognize me with my daily work attire, dress clothes in a professional environment. The surprise on a new employee's face when they see my tattoos for the first time at a company picnic is priceless.

Yes I own and shoot a lot of guns. Yes I am pro Second Amendment. Yes I am young. Yes I have tattoos. Yes I am a minority. Yes I have a degree in physics and computer science. Yes I am a United States Army veteran. RKBA!

me_ar3.jpg


If you were a liberal, would this picture ruffle your feathers? ;)
 
I have shot with

Asian-Americans
Arab-Americans
Hispanic-Americans
African-Americans
Gay Americans
Native Americans
Jewish Americans

Men and Women

The only thing that bothers me is the periodic racist, homophobic, etc. crap that surfaces in the general and legal forums here.

That is more disturbing that any liberal attitude as it convinces many that gunowners
are not worthwhile.

I'm sure most of us aren't such but a significant number of such posts makes me hesitant to recommend the list to newbies.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hoosierboy:
Not like the fake orthodox the media is labeling LIEberman either.[/quote]

Hoosierboy: Your post seems a safe place to inquire of this very thing that has had me puzzled as well.

By safe place I mean, I've learned I must be extremely cautious when asking completely legitimate and honest questions regarding Judaism. Too often, I've walked away holding my head in my hands with the "anti-semetic" label pinned on me when all I did was ask a polite question wishing to learn something.

As you mentioned, the press keeps using the "orthodox" label with Lieberman. However, whenever I look at his voting record, he seems more like an "orthodox reform" Jew than anything else.

My question: Isn't the "reform" version you mentioned only about a hundred or so years old? And isn't it this strain of Judaism that is usually quite leftist when it comes to politics?

Again, I inquire with the utmost regard for your religion and only wish to not be ignorant.

Respectfully
 
For the most part, I go silently among the liberals. Perhaps this is why they are ignorant to the fact that most blacks are firm--firm--believers in RKBA.

I generally make no issue of my race to anyone. Both sides are all too willing to display me as a poster child while stabbing me in the back.
 
Enoch, you got something against the European-Americans? ;)

Perhaps this is why they are ignorant to the fact that most blacks are firm--firm--believers in RKBA.

If this is so why do the dems allways say they have the black vote in their pocket?

Not saying this isnt so but in so. cal it sure seems like the dems are right.

Dangus, the dang dry cleaners lost the uniform. ;)

ArmySon, your welcome to come shoot with my white shooter friends and myself, you can even bring the tattoos but not that AR rifle as it is banned here in kali :) Guess were gonna have to come to your place, you got room?

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Mort,

I would appreciate it if you would elaborate
on both elements of your post.

1: That most blacks are pro RKBA.

2: Both sides would use you then stab you in the back.

The first comment is heartening but opposite
of the impression I get from those who
promote themselves as spokesmen for the
black community.

Sadly, your second comment tracks with what
I would expect..."tokenism" is what it used
to be called. Probably getting worse rather
than better as each side in any debate tries
to use whatever means necessary to win the
battle.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EnochGale:
The only thing that bothers me is the periodic racist, homophobic, etc. crap that surfaces in the general and legal forums here.
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That is why the second amendment is for everyone. The only way to protect the liberty of all Americans is for more people from all walks of life to accept the RESPONSIBILITY of firearms ownership. Why do you think they put that subordinate clause in the second amendment? Because firearms aren't a privilage of a few but the responsibility of the many.



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"Facts are meaningless. You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true."
Homer Simpson... but attributed to Algore.
 
I started to reply, but it's not worth it.
Is "hetrophobic" a word?

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You have to be there when it's all over. Otherwise you can't say "I told you so."

Better days to be,

Ed
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ArmySon:

If you were a liberal, would this picture ruffle your feathers? ;)[/B][/quote]

If I were a liberal I would be impatiently expecting the state to pluck yours so that I may fluff my own pillow with a bit of your down. :)
Nice pic. Suprising really. I have an older one that could be superimposed over the top and it would truly be hard to tell us apart except for your forearm artwork, my longer hair, and a special feather on my forestock.
 
Bunkster -

There are 3 basic Jewish "denominations": orthodox, conservative and reform. The orthodox are the strictest observers of traditional Jewish law, the conservatives are the next most observant, and the reform are the least observant.

I mentioned "traditional" Jewish law because I'm quite sure a Reform Jew would be quite vocal in telling you he is very observant.

Politically, the orthodox is the most politically conservative (followed by the conservative and reform). Confusing, isn't it? In Israel, the orthodox are the ones that you see most often arguing against their government's land policies vis a vis the PLO.

Hope this helps. FWIW, I'm conservative, leaning towards orthodox, with a little Heston thrown in.
 
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