mini Glock .40

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riddleofsteel

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i rented a baby Glock .40 today. that little gun was accurate!! i feel it had the potential to be every bit as accurate as my really sweet K40 Kahr. problem was it beat the crap out of me. it was so hard to hold that little grip under .40 recoil that my hands were shaking like i had palsy by the end of 50 rounds. now i never listened to all the doomsayers that told me the K40 was beast. they were full of it a properly set up K40 is a pussy cat. i am a big guy and i shoot several thousand rounds every month. i am no stranger to recoil, in fact i enjoy it with a decent grip. but this little gun kicks A$$ on both ends. i know it is not a target gun and it did not have the mag extender for a pinkie rest, but dern.
i am thinking now of a 9mm in a mini Glock. WHAOOO i know its heresy. i had a .40 S&W within weeks of its coming out and i have owned over a dozen .40's in various configurations. but the light is beginnig to break slowly over me. how about it? how well defended are you with a subcompact in 9mm with modern ammo?
or should i get a full size grip Glock in .45 or .40 and learn to conceal it?

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[This message has been edited by riddleofsteel (edited August 24, 2000).]
 
Agreed, the Glock 27 is a heavy recoiling (snappy) little monster. I really hated shooting that gun! It almost flew out my hand when I rented it. Needless to say, I ended up buying a Glock 26. Any .45 Glock is much easier to shoot than a corresponding .40 Glock IMHO. The .40's are just so snappy and muzzle flip is pretty intense with the G27. If I were you, I would get the G26 or G30. The G30 has relatively little recoil compared to the G27 IMO. I have one .45 Glock (G21) and plan to get another soon (probably the G30). I am not really recoil sensitive (I shoot .357 magnums frequently), but that G27 is something else (as is the 10 mm G29).
 
Oh, to answer your other question (how good 9mm loads are): IMHO, the 9mm +P's from Cor Bon and Remington are very effective stoppers (Evan Marshall reports 91% street stopping results from the Cor Bon 115 Grain +p load). The best .40 load had a 96% rating-- so the difference is really not that much. I think you are very well protected with a 9mm. But, if a Glock 30 is small enough for your needs get that, it is very accurate and recoil is very controllable.
 
I've been wanting to get one myself. Riddleofsteel, the one you rented, did it have the extension mag, or was it stock?

Thanks,
Cowboy
 
Dude, if the pistol is not comfortable, find one that is. My 27 shoots like a dream, however my wife thought the recoil to be a little sharp. She now shoots a G23 and likes the additional grip length much better. All of our Glocks have an AGRIP wrap for added control and comfort. You might consider one for yours.
 
Hey Riddle,

I had a Glock 27 once, and LOVED it, until I fired it! This was before the Pearce pinkie things were available, but MAN! I'm wondering, since you like Kahr so much, and you're looking at 9's, what about the Kahr P9? It's the same slide length as the Glock, less than 1/2" longer grip,(the same length as the Glock WITH the pinkie thing), it's .25" slimmer, and 3oz lighter.

I know lots of folks love their mini-Glocks, and I WISH I could, but I just don't like that pinkie tab thing. It still leaves the palm of my hand feeling empty. (I have been checking out a sweet used G23 though :) )

I like to think of the P9 as a Walther PPK/S that ate it's wheaties.

To be honest, I'm still toying back and forth between the G27 or the KP9, I just thought I could use the company in being indecisive.

Good luck, let us know what you get!

[This message has been edited by Onslaught (edited August 24, 2000).]
 
I really like my G27. Of all the pistols I own this is the one that goes everywhere with me, I fail to see the recoil issue.
 
recoil, much like sex with an ugly woman is a subjective thing. just how ugly does she have to be before the sex is no longer satisfying? (of course any sex is better than none LOL). my point is that the mini Glock grip is probably the most uncomfortable i have ever put a hand on.(it had no pinkie rest extension) however, the full size Glocks feel just about right i fondled a Glock 35 today and if i could figure a way to conceal it and install night sights i might have a new carry piece. i carrried a S&W 4006 for two years, year round and if i can do that anything short of a hogsleg feels pretty good.
since you bring it up i have been lusting over a P9 for sometime. if i see one with night sights at the show it may settle all this anyway.
my experiences over the past few days have led me to want a weapon that is as rock solid as possible and at the same time accurate and reliable. my K40 is all that but i have some issues with its tendency to rust even though its stainless and while the wood grips look and feel and conceal great i feel i have to baby them just a little bit. the answer may be to get the Kahr, K40 or P9 coated with a corrosion resistant finish and replace the wood grips with smooth, hard plastic/nylon ones. HUMMM

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Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what is for lunch.
Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the outcome of the vote.
Let he that hath no sword sell his garment and buy one. Luke 22-36
They all hold swords, being expert in war: every man hath his sword upon his thigh because of fear in the night. Song of Solomon 3-8
The man that can keep his head and aims carefully when the situation has gone bad and lead is flying usually wins the fight.
 
Riddleofsteel, Onslaught, Quantum Singularity: What type and weight of ammunition were you using? I have always used 135gr Federal PD Hydra-Shoks and 135gr Cor-Bon and recoil has never been an issue. Even my relatively inexperienced wife enjoys shooting my G27. I've heard that some of the 180gr stuff has more recoil, was that what you were using?

Will

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WLM:
Riddleofsteel, Onslaught, Quantum Singularity: What type and weight of ammunition were you using? I have always used 135gr Federal PD Hydra-Shoks and 135gr Cor-Bon and recoil has never been an issue. Even my relatively inexperienced wife enjoys shooting my G27. I've heard that some of the 180gr stuff has more recoil, was that what you were using?

Will

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Regarding the G27,
I used both 135, 155 grain, 165 grain, and 180 grain bullets. The 135 grain was the most shootable (but it still hurt worse than a 230 grain from a .45 Glock 21). The 180 grain was the most painful, I only shot a couple 180 grain rounds before giving up. The others, 155 and 165 grain were very uncomfortable also. I don't know why, but the .40 round really is harder to shoot than a .45 for me. The muzzle flip of a .40 gets annoying very quickly. At least the .45 recoil generally goes straight back in my hand.
 
Hmmm, my G27 was the first pistol I purchased, and although the recoil IS sharp, I simply learned to get used to it. I probably put 500 rounds through it before I even fired another pistol, and I was amazed at how easy the recoil was. In retrospect, I am glad I "cut my teeth" on the G27, because damn near anything is easily shootable after getting the 27 tamed. I practice with what I carry, which is 135 grain Hydra-Shok alternated in the magazine with 185 grain ball ammo. I don't notice the difference between them.
I have to admint that, even after shooting thousands of rounds through the 27, I still cant rapid fire (more then 1 per 2-3 seconds) worth a damn. 2 inch groups at 15 yards become 6 inchers, etc.
 
Get the grip extender and master the beast :D
Not being a Glock person I purchased one on a whim, It was in the case and it's looks caught my eye. This was my first, The Glock Md#27. Since I have, and shoot another .40 cal. this was not going to be a surprise to me,So I thought.
Took the gun to the range for the first time and WOW :eek: I couldn't put it down. :) I will admit the recoil is a little more then I had expected but you get used to it. The gun is a great shooter, I was able to group my shots better with this then I could with my Beretta 8040. This made a Glock believer out of me ;) and I now use it as my carry piece.
My Glock came through with the grip extender on it and it fits my hand real nice. So if you like it in general get the grip extender and give it another try ;)

Happy Shooting :)

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Anonymous
 
This in not ment as a flame so please don't take it that way.

Some of you guys need to get some instruction on proper two handed technique. My wife, who is 5'7" and weighs 128 lbs, carries a G27 in her purse and shoots 180g JHPs in it with no difficulty. She learned to shoot a 1911 in 45 ACP at a place call Gunsight from a guy named Cooper.

Dave T
PCSD Ret
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dave T:
This in not ment as a flame so please don't take it that way.

Some of you guys need to get some instruction on proper two handed technique. My wife, who is 5'7" and weighs 128 lbs, carries a G27 in her purse and shoots 180g JHPs in it with no difficulty. She learned to shoot a 1911 in 45 ACP at a place call Gunsight from a guy named Cooper.

Dave T
PCSD Ret[/quote]


I can't speak for everyone, but I have had proper grip training. If push comes to shove, I could easily learn to handle a G27, but it would never be comfortable like the G26 or G21 are. I dont like the snap of the .40 (especially from sub-compacts). Since the .45 is nearly as effective as the .40 in terms of stopping power (and the recoil is "gentler"/straight back), I just assume stay away from the G27. For those people who like that model/caliber, more power to you (the .40 is one of the best defensive calibers to stop an attack IMO).
 
I think some people are confusing different issues here. I had THREE Glock 27s at different times, and with effort I could shoot them accurately----but not QUICKLY and accurately. In a defensive gun I want the ability to shoot quickly and accurately: that's just me, I must have both. And I couldn't keep the 27 on target between shots well enough to shoot it quickly and accurately with full-power defensive ammo.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RikWriter:
I think some people are confusing different issues here. I had THREE Glock 27s at different times, and with effort I could shoot them accurately----but not QUICKLY and accurately. In a defensive gun I want the ability to shoot quickly and accurately: that's just me, I must have both. And I couldn't keep the 27 on target between shots well enough to shoot it quickly and accurately with full-power defensive ammo.[/quote]


I totally agree with you. I wonder what made you buy three different Glock 27's? Did you have a hope that you could eventually combine speed and accuracy?
 
I've got a G27(and a 23 and 34). I only notice the recoil when I haven't shot it for a while. Shooting the 34 and then the 27 is a big difference. I carry the 27 without the grip extension. With a grip extension it's as long as my 23 which I shoot better. I really like my 27 but for me it fits a specialized role. I think a 23, 19 or 30 is a better choice for all-around carry. BTW, I shot a STI LS40 last year. Very thin gun, shooting it was not much fun. Felt like getting hit with a very dull knife. Just my humble opinion, byerly.
 
QS, people kept talking me into it. :D
They would say, "But it's such a POWERFUL gun in such a SMALL package!" And I kept getting good deals on them used. Wonder why?
:D
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RikWriter:
QS, people kept talking me into it. :D
They would say, "But it's such a POWERFUL gun in such a SMALL package!" And I kept getting good deals on them used. Wonder why?
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I understand, but I personally don't let others decide whats best for me. The gun store owner I deal with originally tried talking me into getting a Glock 23 in .40; however, after shooting the .45 cal G21 and renting several .40's I knew what was best for my needs-- the .45!
 
I prefer the 9mm in subcompact pistols. Next to the 357 sig, IMHO, it's the most efficient svc. caliber when fired from this platform, as it's velocities seem less affected by a 3.5in/3in bbl. Also, I shoot my G26 much better than a G27 or G33 for that matter.

I prefer larger calibers in larger pistols (especially w/10rd mags), a G21 loaded w/ 185 GS or 185 GD serves as my home def. gun.

However, the small 9mm provides adequate power in a small controllable package. I feel well armed w/ the G26 mainly because I am confident in my proficiency w/ it.

In addition, modern HP ammo seems head & shoulders above what it used to be. My two favorite loads for the G26 are Federal's 124+p+ HS & Remington's 124+p GS, but there are also several other excellent loads available.

If the G27 is uncomfortable to shoot & one has trouble rapid firing w/ it during practice sessions at the range, how could this possibly translate into confidence shooting it in a high stress situation if the SHTF?

Best,
long shot!
 
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