Mini-14: Why do people hate it so much?

Dave3006

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When I read posts on the Mini-14, I am overwhelmed at how many people absolutely hate it. I am curious to know if it is as bad as people say. Here are some of the most popular criticisms:

1. Inaccurate. Thin barrel heats up after a few rounds.
2. Sights are poor.
3. Fragile. They tend to break under heavy use.
4. They malfunction with most aftermarket mags, except PMI (which are hard to get and expensive).
5. Mag changes are slow.
6. They are loud.
7. The triggers are terrible.

This was all I could remember. Are they really that bad?
 
WEll, if you carry it for varmits and only pop off a few rounds every now and then, it'll do 4" groups at 100 yards. If you subject it to 5-20 rounds at one time, your pattern will expand to about 6-10" at 100 yards. You can still hit man sized silloette targets easily (hot or not) but I normally like to shoot at smaller targets when 'plinking'.

I dont think that the sites are bad but they are easy to break.

I have never know a Mini-14 to break down (other than the sites). I have fired over 3k rounds with mine without any mech problems. You do have to use Ruger, PMI or Thermold mags. All the other mags are crap.

Trigger is fine in my opintion. I have no need for a sweet trigger on a rifle that is only going to group 4"-10" anyway.

I like my Mini and shoot it often but it does have some above average limitations. Its fine for a camp rifle or home defense out to 50 yards.
 
The biggest thing is that Walmart sells Mini14s for $500. Oly Arms sells the Plinker AR15 for $500 plus shipping and dealer fees. Is it really worth it to save $40? Mag prices alone will make up for it.

Kharn
 
Nothing wrong with them---I have 2 and they both work just fine and I also have an AR-15. I guess I like the .223---the gun doesn't matter that much to me.
 
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Hey folks,

I do not have a Mini 14, but I do have a Mini 30 in stainless, so I hope you will not mind my comments. I am not wild about the .223 cal., but I do own a Colt AR15 in .223. I purchased it around 1992 or 1993 mostly because it seemed the Clinton administration intended to ban it or restrict it. I also purchased a Colt AR15 in 7.62X39 at the same time, and I like it better than the .223. Please note that I am not saying the AR15 in 30 cal is better than the .223; I am only saying that I like 30 cal better than 22 cal. Shortly after I got the ARs, a friend got a Ruger Mini 30 in stainless, and, since there were two of them, I could not let him get ahead of me.

What do I think of the Mini 30? I like Ruger stuff. It is well made and not too costly in my experience. As far as the Mini 30, to me it is a little carbine with a bland piece of wood for a stock. Not bad, just bland. It functions well with any commercial ammo I have used, and I have no problems feeding it my reloaded ammo - even my cast bullets. I have two different types of magazines (USA and Thermold) that work just fine. It came with a fold down rear sight and removable scope mounts. Once the scope is mounted, the scope and the top part of the mounts can be removed and replaced and still be in zero. Honest, they work. I have absolutely no need for the Mini 30, but I do like it. Probably because the anti-gun folks do not like it.

Best wishes,
Dave Wile
 
reasons to dislike the mini 14

1) Thin Barrel + barrel band
2) NO USGI magazines
3) Bill Ruger requested the standard cap magazine ban
4) it is not black
 
I think the reason some people hate the Mini 14 is because it could have been a better rifle for only a little more money. A slightly better barrel would put the Mini 14 into a whole 'nother class of rifle.

Also, the fact that Ruger wouldn't sell their factory hicap mags to civilians is another reason. Hell, they don't even make 10 round mags for the rifle, and there isn't any good reason for that!

That said, I really like my Mini 14 Ranch Rifle. It is VERY reliable with the PMI 20 round mags I've got. And it's accuracy is as good as (and better than) the AK47s I've seen. FWIW, if I was one of you California guys, I'd feel safe with a Mini 14 and some good 10 round Madsen mags.

I used to recommend the Mini 14 to people who couldn't afford an AR15. However, right now the price difference isn't enough to go with the Mini 14. I now see Mini 14s going for close to $500 and AR15s are going for $650. Back when an AR was $800 and a Mini 14 was $400 it was a whole different story.
 
The biggest complaint is the fact that it's MOP. (Minute of Pieplate) at best...

Otherwise, I see nothing wrong with it. It's reliable, and feeds well. Bill Ruger has issues I won't even mention here, but he makes solid guns...

Albert
 
I have a synthetic ranch rifle with two PMI 30 rounders that are very reliable.The ONLY thing i wish they would change is the way you have to load a mag into the gun.As far as accuracy mine is acceptable for what i bought it for.Never had any mechanical problems so far.Money well spent($465)in my book.
 
I think the reason some people hate the Mini 14 is because it could have been a better rifle for only a little more money. A slightly better barrel would put the Mini 14 into a whole 'nother class of rifle. I agree

1. Inaccurate. Thin barrel heats up after a few rounds. I do not think the Mini is inaccurate. The barrel is thin tho, but we are not going into battle with this rifle. Inaccurate would be a 15th Century musket, try one, you'll see what I mean. One more thing, anyone who is fooling with group sizes is crazy. This is not a competition, or life or death struggle. These are fun rifles and plinkers. Hell, if I want tight groupings, I'll get a bolt-action and beat any other type of rifle, yes even a AR.
2. Sights are poor. Sights are not poor on the standard Mini, they are only bad on the Mini ranch rifle. The ranch rifle has folding sights which break off. The standard Mini has rugged sights.
3. Fragile. They tend to break under heavy use.
A Mini, HELL NO! It is one of the most tough carbines in the market. The action is taken from the M1-carbine. You cannot go wrong. I shoot Wolf, Barnaul, PMP, Greek ammo and the rifle is still alive and kicking. I shot more than 2-cases of each. And as for field use I took-it to the mountains and desert to survive for two-weeks, It got wet, mud, dirt, sand and she still function excellent. I clean this carbine until I got home. Want more proof go try-it yourself. Those who say it is fragile are talking out of their asses and are mainly AR lovers.
4. They malfunction with most aftermarket mags, except PMI (which are hard to get and expensive). This 1/2 the truth. "The ones who do not even try, do not suceed in life and wither and die". -Ed Chavez. I was lucky to get some PMI's. But I also got some USA's. Triple-K's magazines. Some did not work, but I made them to work. Bend the lips and install new followers and these mags work excellent. I am know to make Triple-K 10rd mags to function flawlessly. So if you try, you will suceed.
5. Mag changes are slow. AR lovers posted this, because they love the way mag changes are done on their fabulous AR. Do not listen to them. It all takes practice and more practice. They told me once,"A SKS is worthless because it does not have a 30-round mag", I proved them wrong and tought them it is not the size and speed, but the skill of the shooter to handle their firearm.
6. They are loud. Damm, tell them to wear ear protection. Any rifle, pistol, or shotgun is loud. Most carbines that have short barrels are loud, due to their barrel size and that their are shooting rifle ammunition.
7. The triggers are terrible. This is another blame for accuracy. The trigger is fine. These fellas want a 2-3lb. trigger pull get a life. COME-ON!

I own AK's, AR's, Mini's, HK's, FAL's, SKS's and many more. Accuraccy, function, reliability, and life is all up to the shooter holding and shooting any firearm. As for price I get the Mini's for less than $400- OTD "new".
3) Bill Ruger requested the standard cap magazine ban.Politics is another whole different ballpark. When I buy a firearm politics do not come to mind, until they want to ban the firearm/s. The companies out there are just trying to survive and are covering their asses, because gun people do not back them up, when they need help to fight-off anti-gunners and politicians. If we would of stick together since the begining we would not of even see this mess.
2) NO USGI magazines.AR man, I can spot them a mile away, it is oK. I agree here, BUT since the Mini-14 is not an armed forces gun it has never had any USGI magazines.
4) It is not black + barrel band. Make-it black. I bought a standard blued with woodstock Mini-14, I like-it it reminded me of the a M-14. But I wanted a so-called evil black rifle, so I bought a Hogue stock for the Mini and made-it evil. As for the barrel band it is real helpful, in the field obcourse. It is a excellent touch.
3) Bill Ruger requested the standard cap magazine ban. Again it is all political. Bill Ruger is old-man and was covering his ass and his business, because no one else would help him. Anyways all the standard magazines(20-rounders and up)have been banned from importation and from being made anymore. So I do not see your argument about this.

Also, the fact that Ruger wouldn't sell their factory hicap mags to civilians is another reason. Hell, they don't even make 10 round mags for the rifle, and there isn't any good reason for that!
True. But all manufacturer cannot sell their newly made hicap magazines to no-one but LEO and the armed forces anyways. The magazines you and all of us bought that are hicaps are grandfathered and were made before 2000 or 1994. So I do not see your argument. As for the 10-round magazines, I am mad at Ruger for that, but they are still trying to keep their rifle from being put on the so-called Assault Weapon list, because the magazine would stick out of the rifle like the Tripple-K and Masen. I gave you a reason.

I like the Ruger Mini-14 it is a inexpensive, rugged, works everytime I pull the trigger, feeds all types of ammo, has lots of aftermarket accessories to dress up the rifle, and can be taken virtually in any situation, be it climate, or condition(except artic).

As far as people bashing the Ruger name and the Mini name it is their right to do so, but the person must experience the goods and bad of any rifle ever made. There is no such thing as a excellent, superb, non-malfuctioning, self cleaning, and accurate firearm. If the person say their rifle is the best, they are lying to themselfs and their are lying so much they believe themselfs.

Later-on fellas.:)
 
If we would of stick together since the begining we would not of even see this mess.

That answer to that is to stick together now, not to continue to reward the traitors like Bill Ruger. Protecting his butt is not a good enough excuse for betraying America, and his actions are no less than that.


As for why I don't like the Mini, well, it just doesn't fit me. Same reason I don't like the HK-93.
 
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That answer to that is to stick together now, not to continue to reward the traitors like Bill Ruger. Protecting his butt is not a good enough excuse for betraying America, and his actions are no less than that.

As for why I don't like the Mini, well, it just doesn't fit me. Same reason I don't like the HK-93.
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Your opinion again, is yours.
 
I think the reason some people hate the Mini 14 is because it could have been a better rifle for only a little more money. A slightly better barrel would put the Mini 14 into a whole 'nother class of rifle.

Gino hit the nail on the head. I bought a Mini-14 and I really enjoyed shooting it, but I traded it away as soon as I got an AK-47. Then I bought an AR-15, so now I have no need for a Mini-14 since it doesn't come in .308. For that I'm saving for a M1A.

Mini-14s are nice rifles, and I might buy another later on. Of course, there are such better rifles out there to buy if you just save a little extra money.
 
I had a SST Ranch Rifle & scoped it right off (3X9), shot some factories & lots of reloads through it. Accuracy (even waiting for the barrel to cool, etc.) sucked. 'Course, I was looking for MOA-stuff from it, shouldn't have & was disappointed.

With any aftermarket mags I tried, it jammed.

The triggers suck - hey! I'm a trigger-snob. ;)

I "found out" about BR's sell-out.

Perhaps a decent close-quarters-type of shooter w/factory mags. A varmit rifle it isn't.

I dumped all the stuff I'd bought for it (you do get lots of questions when you slap it in a MuzzleLite bull-pup stock) & bought an HBAR.

Don't hate the rifle, but can't see the point when there's too much better out there.
 
What has been said is SOOO very true. I bought a MINI-14 about 1 year ago, i love the way the gun feels, looks etc. I believe it is durable, atleast for my style of shooting. haha, i dont need to light up two 50 round clips on drive by's :)

The trigger: BAD, but able to be overlooked because you know what type of gun you are getting here...a quick little "deal" for 'ranchy' type stuff.

The accuracy: HAHA, a joke for me, i wanted a nice semi-auto .223 rifle for shooting coyotes and foxes around here. But when i take it to the range IT SUCKS BAD, i dont want to 'maybe' hit one where im aiming at, or just gut shot it, even though it is a coyote...i want to hit where im aiming at!! :)

I have tried diff. ammo for it..."BLACK HILLS" 55gr. being the best i have tried in it, and i still can not get groops that are consistent for anything, or even onese that group together...

I have been meaning to sell my mini 14 lately, i will be posting about the AR-15's etc. for info on them and prices and what not...

long shot here: if someone wants this rifle i might be willing to sell it online to a member here.
 
The Mini-14 ain't the best, but it works good.

I have tried diff. ammo for it..."BLACK HILLS" 55gr. being the best i have tried in it, and i still can not get groops that are consistent for anything, or even onese that group together...
The new Mini barrels have a twist rate of 1-9". The 1-9" shoots best with heavier ammo .223 62grain. My Bushmaster love the Spanish 62 grain NATO ammo, so does my Mini.
 
It sucks! I only get about 1 1/2" average 5-shot groups from 100yds with the current ammo I'm using with this one...

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One word can sum it up best, I think: JEALOUSYImagine paying $1000 for a nice AR15 and finding out you could have gotten an extremely reliable rifle in the same caliber for half the price. I am not knocking the AR15. I would really like one some day. My main reason is for parts availability. But I bought mine in case I have to defend myself or my family against multiple human assailants. Do I need to be able to put 100 rounds through a dime to do that?
 
I shoot 2 MOA all the time out of my Mini and never see anything worse than 3MOA anymore. I think People are shooting the wrong bullet weights out of there Mini's!!! There are several TFL members that have seen my Standard Ranch Mini shoot 2 MOA groups.
 
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