What is more important is that your students may be seriously harmed by what you have told them.
Hogwash! My students have so far been able to understand that the purpose of going animal is to make them understand that they should be prepared to get as violent as necessary and then stop that elevated violence once the threat has been diminished. Which is expressly discussed in class. Just because you guys take this issue to the most extreme doesn't mean my students are at risk of anything.
You have absolutely no basis for that comment.
Wrong again! During the Zimmerman trial it was argued by the prosecution that Zimmerman was educated in what to say to police to make himself look innocent. My point is that you guys have done worst to include actually arguing why it is wise to decieve.
The fact that Zimmerman was found not guilty despite saying "they always get away" and following after it being suggested that he not and with the media making it look like he shot a child, all suggest to me that if the shooting is truely justified, you will be okay even in the most extreme cases.
The open question is will it be believed.
Is that more or less likely after your written lessons on how to deceive? Just as you suggest that it will be less likely that my appropriate use of force might not be believed due to the "go animal" title to my mindset, your active lessons on how to deceive could make you less believable.
I do not understand what you are trying to say.
You argue against the use of certain provocative words and suggest using words that describe the mindset in a last resort defensive minded way like the cornered cat.
It isn't at all a matter of using "defensive minded words". It is a simple matter three things:
Acting intelligently--avoiding trouble in the first place; and
should that fail, acting lawfully, and using force only when and to the extent that is necssary; and
avoiding saying, writing, posting, wearing, or carrying anything that is likely to give the impression of a predisposition to use deadly force.
In this quote you speak from both sides of your mouth.
That may be your intent, but others may well decide that your use of the phrase "go animal" means something else.
Kept in context with "keep your head" return to normal asap, I will be just fine.
Yes, because there is also the little matter of surviving the aftermath.
Gonna be tough for both of us then. Me for describing what a cornered cat means and you for teaching folks how to deceive. How to mask or cloak your true thoughts.
Not unless your true mindset is one that would get you into trouble.
The trial after the fact may have your triers looking for evidence of your truthfulness. Just like it was done to Zimm they could be presented with your posts proving that you consciously plot out what to say to make you look less aggressive. You could be otherwise totally justified yet because you are actively training folks to say the right thing, you mark yourself as a potential liar. Just as my training folks in being mentally prepared to become a cornered cat violent marks me as predisposed to violence to some of you.
The active instruction of what NOT to say so that you present a certain image.
The obvious hypocricy completely ignored LOL.
Imagine--just imagine--a prosecutor repeating the words "go animal" over and over.
And you imaging being called a premeditaded deceiver over and over again.
That "nitpicking" pertains to one of the most important factors in the justification of the use of force, deadly or non-deadly.
Indeed it does. Still extreme nitpicking IMO.
Are you suggesting that a prosecutor would explain all of that?
Do you believe that one who has "gone animal" would be expected by the triers of fact to have had the mental and emotional capacity to make the change instantly?
No I expect my defense attorney to do that.
I expect the context to be reveiled and my triers to be able to see that I was following my training on how to survive a violent encounter. The natural next progression of which is to "keep you head" or return to normal ASAP. I expect my triers to take a look at my lifes history of non violence and law abiding behavior as well.
What is a 'temporarily necessary state of mind"?
Really?
Becoming a cornered cat also known to me as going animal as in going hot like a cornered cat as in losing your normal soft and nice demeanor.
So would you.
I agree with you BTW. Just as my scenario is rediculous and far fetched, so is yours.
Unfortunately, many people--most, I think--would not see it that way.
If anyone I know ever tells me that he or she has been advices to "go animal" in a self defense training course, I will tell them to walk away immediately and to not return.
Within your rights. My students are taught essentially the same thing. Avoid the buzz words, use deadly force as a last resort, I just feel that you guys are taking this to the extreme. You are so conditioned to avoid the preception of being labeled as the aggressor that you lash out at anything no matter how hypocritical or extreme.
You know good and well that when provided the whole picture of my quote, normal folks would see it as nothing more than the training tool that it is.
I could make your cornered cat look like pure evil if allowed to give you only one side.
He trained to become a cornered cat. A vicious crazed animal willing to do anything necessary to survive. Willing to use all the force available in an explosive violent burst. A cornered cat doesn't care how big you are, it doesn't care if you were bluffing, when it decides its time to act it gives everything it has when half of what it has would have sufficed.
Sure sir a cornered cat will stop when you are no longer a threat but how much extra force did it deploy before making that decision? With my description "go animal" I am essentially saying the same thing only I add the need to return to normal non violent activity as soon as the threat has ended. After all I'm not a cat. I'm not evil. I am being forced into violence and my training dictates to do what is necessary to survive then return to peace. Your cat will often use more force than was necessary. I have seen cats keep up the fight on a fleeing dog. I have seen two cats literally beating a dogs posterior. Part of a cats defense is to be explosive and to keep the juice going well after it could easily flee.