Marko Kloos
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AFAIK, only the VEPR II in .308 uses the expensive proprietary magazines. The VEPR II variants in 7.62x39 and 5.45mm use the regcap magazines from the AK-47 and AK-74, respectively.
militia weapon recommendations?
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WalterGAII
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"Sniper attack?" hardehardeharharhar!!!!!!!!!!!!
RichardEdward
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walter,
sure.. i dont know about you but i would not be comfortable with simply a bolt action sniper rifle if i was retreating from a larger force after sniping them.... at least a high capacity semi-auto style rifle would give
sure.. i dont know about you but i would not be comfortable with simply a bolt action sniper rifle if i was retreating from a larger force after sniping them.... at least a high capacity semi-auto style rifle would give
RichardEdward
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k80geoff
im not so sure that would be the case.. i doubt i would wipe them all out.. probably would be hit and run.. and i cant see the ones the live abandoning the weapons of those that didnt
im not so sure that would be the case.. i doubt i would wipe them all out.. probably would be hit and run.. and i cant see the ones the live abandoning the weapons of those that didnt
George Hill
Staff Alumnus
.223 VEPR II Mag = $19.00
7.62X39 VEPR II Mag = $12.99
Here is the Price List:
http://www.robarm.com/price_list_2001_22_feb.htm
These are the best things going... You might pay a little more - but your getting a LOT more.
As far as a Bullpup version - you'll have to get a kit for it and make the conversion.
Its possible - and would make the best Bullpup this side of the TAVOR! (If you got a good kit that is)
7.62X39 VEPR II Mag = $12.99
Here is the Price List:
http://www.robarm.com/price_list_2001_22_feb.htm
These are the best things going... You might pay a little more - but your getting a LOT more.
As far as a Bullpup version - you'll have to get a kit for it and make the conversion.
Its possible - and would make the best Bullpup this side of the TAVOR! (If you got a good kit that is)
After much thinking about this subject I purchased a STG-58. I would have bought the M14 but i am short on cash. I feel that , in short,any militia activity would be fought against a well armed, well supplied adversary.They would be able to overcome the inherent limitations of the 223 round by having unending supplies of it. For this reason alone stand off distance would become paramount. A 308 battle rifle would allow one to stay outside the 2-300 yard range of the 223, with your round having plenty of punch to make it through obstacles. Also, I think that you would have enough trouble getting off the 20 rounds before the suprise was over and the 50 caliber hailstorm was headed your way. Hopefully at that point one of your side would start up from another sector with his/her 20 rounds.
I feel a lot of people are seduced into thinking of Militia weapons as street fighting, house to house tools. And I guess thats what it would be in some areas. However, if you include for the other side M-60's, M2's , rocket launchers etc, I think that you will see that you would be holding onto to your "poodle shooter" while your position is turned into dust around you.Having said that, I would choose an AK for that scenario.
I feel a lot of people are seduced into thinking of Militia weapons as street fighting, house to house tools. And I guess thats what it would be in some areas. However, if you include for the other side M-60's, M2's , rocket launchers etc, I think that you will see that you would be holding onto to your "poodle shooter" while your position is turned into dust around you.Having said that, I would choose an AK for that scenario.
Zigokubasi
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WTF are you guys on?
Bolt-action? Taking on a numerically superior, better trained force? Gentlemen, I'm pretty sure none of you has any *real* idea what this is going to entail. If we do this, a full-blown stage 3 guerilla war against the state, we're going to be fighting much the same way the IRA fought Great Britan. Yes, there will be some sniping involved, usually against politically important targets, or stragglers from a larger force. Most action will take the form of short, violent, close-range ambushes performed from behind cover against a selected, weak opponent. Supply trains, power stations, banks, isolated military units, etc...
There won't be any kind of "taking to the field" sort of action, at least not until we've a) captured tanks and artillery, and b) trained men on how to use those captured field pieces. Even then, we're not EVER going to have air superiority, so such "field actions" will be relatively few in number. I imagine a very Vietnam-like strategy would work best, building up our "conventional" forces in secret while we conduct harassing guerilla operation in myriad urban environments. The rural areas won't be our battlegrounds, they're going to be our refuge. If a rural "safe house" is discovered, then and only then is there likely to be any kind of military action in a rural setting, and that's going to be a tactical withdrawal under fire.
The best gun to have? Whatever you can use to defend yourself with. No "registered" firearm will be of much use until open warfare erupts, and that's only going to happen if enough resources are obtained to support it, either captured form Federal troops, or provided by a foreign power that recognizes our movement as a legitimate cause and wishes to gain our favor. Make no mistake, we NEED a foreign ally to win. Our forefathers needed the assistance provided by France to win the Revolutionary War, and we're going to need it to win the Second American Civil War.
Don't fret too much about what to buy. *Any* rifle in 7.62x39, .223, or .308 should be fine. Ammo resupply will be available for any of those calibers no matter what. As long as you can use it, and use it well, you should be fine. Even if it's only a handgun, you can use it to get a better weapon later. The key is improving you personal skill level, not what weapon you buy.
Sorry about the rant and biased personal opinions, guys....it's been a long day
Ziggy
Bolt-action? Taking on a numerically superior, better trained force? Gentlemen, I'm pretty sure none of you has any *real* idea what this is going to entail. If we do this, a full-blown stage 3 guerilla war against the state, we're going to be fighting much the same way the IRA fought Great Britan. Yes, there will be some sniping involved, usually against politically important targets, or stragglers from a larger force. Most action will take the form of short, violent, close-range ambushes performed from behind cover against a selected, weak opponent. Supply trains, power stations, banks, isolated military units, etc...
There won't be any kind of "taking to the field" sort of action, at least not until we've a) captured tanks and artillery, and b) trained men on how to use those captured field pieces. Even then, we're not EVER going to have air superiority, so such "field actions" will be relatively few in number. I imagine a very Vietnam-like strategy would work best, building up our "conventional" forces in secret while we conduct harassing guerilla operation in myriad urban environments. The rural areas won't be our battlegrounds, they're going to be our refuge. If a rural "safe house" is discovered, then and only then is there likely to be any kind of military action in a rural setting, and that's going to be a tactical withdrawal under fire.
The best gun to have? Whatever you can use to defend yourself with. No "registered" firearm will be of much use until open warfare erupts, and that's only going to happen if enough resources are obtained to support it, either captured form Federal troops, or provided by a foreign power that recognizes our movement as a legitimate cause and wishes to gain our favor. Make no mistake, we NEED a foreign ally to win. Our forefathers needed the assistance provided by France to win the Revolutionary War, and we're going to need it to win the Second American Civil War.
Don't fret too much about what to buy. *Any* rifle in 7.62x39, .223, or .308 should be fine. Ammo resupply will be available for any of those calibers no matter what. As long as you can use it, and use it well, you should be fine. Even if it's only a handgun, you can use it to get a better weapon later. The key is improving you personal skill level, not what weapon you buy.
Sorry about the rant and biased personal opinions, guys....it's been a long day
Ziggy
Zigokubasi,
A Militia is used to defend against ALL enemies; foriegn and domestic.
One of the problems some people have is they think a militia is only preparing to fight our own government WHICH IS TOTALLY WRONG!
It never ceases to amaze my how the one organization which is mention by name in the 2nd ammendment is and continues to be so easily villified.
Live Fast, Die Hard, and take alot of the buggers with you when you go!
A Militia is used to defend against ALL enemies; foriegn and domestic.
One of the problems some people have is they think a militia is only preparing to fight our own government WHICH IS TOTALLY WRONG!
It never ceases to amaze my how the one organization which is mention by name in the 2nd ammendment is and continues to be so easily villified.
Live Fast, Die Hard, and take alot of the buggers with you when you go!
RichardEdward
New member
george hill
how does the reliability of it compare to some of the other weapons? esp the AK type
how does the reliability of it compare to some of the other weapons? esp the AK type
Zigokubasi
New member
please...
I villified nothing. I merely expounded upon the most likely scenario. The Red Chinese hordes aren't exactly at our doorstep. If there are foreign enemies, fine. But right now.....
Ziggy
I villified nothing. I merely expounded upon the most likely scenario. The Red Chinese hordes aren't exactly at our doorstep. If there are foreign enemies, fine. But right now.....
Ziggy
Jeff Thomas
New member
George, I stand corrected. Thank you. [why I would ever dispute you escapes me ... 
]
Regards from AZ
]Regards from AZ
WalterGAII
Moderator
Snap: Not villified, just appropriately sillified.
RichardEdward
New member
george.. little confused by the vepr.. with regard to mags.. on the faq page http://www.robarm.com/answers to vepr faqs.html#anchor262920
Can the VEPR accept other magazines? Will it take a high capacity magazine?
The VEPR accepts only its own magazine. Therefore, the VEPR will not accept magazines from other rifles. VEPR magazines come in 5 and 10 round capacities.
i think i would want at least 20 round mags.. and maybe 30 rd
Can the VEPR accept other magazines? Will it take a high capacity magazine?
The VEPR accepts only its own magazine. Therefore, the VEPR will not accept magazines from other rifles. VEPR magazines come in 5 and 10 round capacities.
i think i would want at least 20 round mags.. and maybe 30 rd
Snapsho7
That's right! In fact, the "militia" includes pretty much every citizen who can shoot. Far from being an anti-Fed organization, it's likely that much of the real militia would be fighting AGAINST anti-government insurgents and FOR the union in an actual revolution, just as many loyalists in Ireland took up arms against the IRA. Obviously, that's not a road we want to go down. Far better that we should be fighting and preparing on the same side, but that's another topic.
As far as the weapon of choice, what about the humble, ubiquitous .30-30 levergun as an option for the rifle box, at least as a second rifle? It's about equal to the 7.62x39 on the charts, yet ammo for it is FAR more common than AK ammo stateside. You can find it from bush Alaska to the deep south. In addition, .30-30's such as the Winchester '94 and Marlin models are far cheaper than most of the other weapons listed here. I picked up an old Marlin for $125 a few months back. It's also something you could hand to your unarmed, untrained neighbor in a pinch without worrying too much about the shooting of feet. As far as killing power, I posted a pick showing what even a .30-30 could do to a man's head here a while back. It was very, very nasty.
That's right! In fact, the "militia" includes pretty much every citizen who can shoot. Far from being an anti-Fed organization, it's likely that much of the real militia would be fighting AGAINST anti-government insurgents and FOR the union in an actual revolution, just as many loyalists in Ireland took up arms against the IRA. Obviously, that's not a road we want to go down. Far better that we should be fighting and preparing on the same side, but that's another topic.
As far as the weapon of choice, what about the humble, ubiquitous .30-30 levergun as an option for the rifle box, at least as a second rifle? It's about equal to the 7.62x39 on the charts, yet ammo for it is FAR more common than AK ammo stateside. You can find it from bush Alaska to the deep south. In addition, .30-30's such as the Winchester '94 and Marlin models are far cheaper than most of the other weapons listed here. I picked up an old Marlin for $125 a few months back. It's also something you could hand to your unarmed, untrained neighbor in a pinch without worrying too much about the shooting of feet. As far as killing power, I posted a pick showing what even a .30-30 could do to a man's head here a while back. It was very, very nasty.
RichardEdward
New member
Mort,
looking for a weapon that will allow me to do my duty as a member of the militia and will hold up to any court challenges (such as Texas v Miller (i think that was the one)). And one that will be most effective in a shtf situation... any number of possibilities exist... you choice of weapon would probably depend on which situations you think are most likely, or finding a compromise that would serve in all situations but would excel in none.
looking for a weapon that will allow me to do my duty as a member of the militia and will hold up to any court challenges (such as Texas v Miller (i think that was the one)). And one that will be most effective in a shtf situation... any number of possibilities exist... you choice of weapon would probably depend on which situations you think are most likely, or finding a compromise that would serve in all situations but would excel in none.
fivefingers
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As others have already pointed out, you're better off equipping yourself with hardware that is compatible with whatever your friends and/or enemies will be likely to use.
Whatever the circumstances of a future armed conflict may be, whether foreign or domestic, one thing you can count on is that civilian (/militia) access to firearms, ammunition and spare parts will likely be severely restricted if not completely eliminated. You will have to make do with whatever you have on hand or can manage to acquire.
Since the likelihood of a land invasion by troops using the old Warsaw Pact weaponry is pretty much a logistical impossibility, the equipment and supplies most likely to be in abundance will be US/NATO.
That said, an AR-15 type rifle in .223 and a Beretta or Glock pistol in 9mm would appear to be sound choices.
That way, your resupply needs can either be issued by a friendly regular Army/Police unit or acquired through the post mortem requisition of an unfriendly regular Army/Police unit.
Whatever the circumstances of a future armed conflict may be, whether foreign or domestic, one thing you can count on is that civilian (/militia) access to firearms, ammunition and spare parts will likely be severely restricted if not completely eliminated. You will have to make do with whatever you have on hand or can manage to acquire.
Since the likelihood of a land invasion by troops using the old Warsaw Pact weaponry is pretty much a logistical impossibility, the equipment and supplies most likely to be in abundance will be US/NATO.
That said, an AR-15 type rifle in .223 and a Beretta or Glock pistol in 9mm would appear to be sound choices.
That way, your resupply needs can either be issued by a friendly regular Army/Police unit or acquired through the post mortem requisition of an unfriendly regular Army/Police unit.