militia weapon recommendations?

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RichardEdward

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i am looking at what type of weapon i should purchase that would serve the purpose of being a militia firearm (good capacity, short to medium range, reliable)

i am leaning towards a .223 but am also considering 9mm carbines (could share clip with pistol-would mean less ammon to carry if i had a rifle and a pistol with same cart) .. also thought about the .308 but dont think i want to go that route (should i reconsider? why?

what are your recommendations? I like the bullpup style because i like the full lenght barrel while being a compact unit.. dont need the match grade accuracy..

background on my current weapons: 9mm s@w 915, marlin 22 semi rifle, 12 guage 1187, 20 ruger red label, 30-06 a bolt with boss, kel tec p32

thanks
RichardEdward

and i live in a midwest state without Kalifornia style bans
 
Hey RE,

You could try an AR-15 or an M1A, but they are on the high dollar side. If you want a very good military weapon that is inexpensive and very reliable, look at the SKS. If looking at the SKS, however, be careful. The Chinese Norincos have been imported in several different qualities. Their best ones with chrome bolts and threaded barrels are quite good. For my money, I like the Russian SKS the best. I have two Russian SSKSs (one in regular hardwood stock, and one with a laminated stock) and a very good Norinco. They all function perfectly and are quickly loaded with 10 round stripper clips. The 7.62X39 ammo is available all over the place and inexpensive in the throw away ammo. I personally do not care for the foreign surplus ammo because much is corrosive and not easily reloadable. I bought a few cases of Lapua ammo years ago a few years ago and reload them over and over. I also have a Colt AR-15 and a Ruger Mini 30, and both are chambered for the 7.62X39. I also have a Colt AR-15 in the .223, but I am not sure why. What I do not have and wish I did is a Springfield M1A. I think it is a great weapon, but I cannot explain why I never got it instead of the .223. Do not let anyone put the SKS down. It shoots a powerful 30 cal. bullet, and it shoots it reliably, and with accuracy.

Best wishes,
Dave Wile
 
Milita weapons

Richard,
the militia weapons, of yester year would be the AR series of rifle today............223 cal, and the sidearm, is of course 9mm.

The wording of the day, was militia members, were to have "Like", weapons of those of the regular Army...same holds true today...some folks are so PC minded, they won't speak the truth....but I will, so.....there you go.

Stick with the Nato calibers, and you will be exactly, legally, Constitutionally were you LAWFULLY should be.

True Militia, contrary to the PC as***** maniacal fears, is nothing to fear, and the mere "Mention", of the word, for sure isn't.

Ask most men today, and they can't even tell you who is IN the Militia, or WHAT constitutes it.

It's called "Dumbing Down".
 
You'de definately want a true rifle caliber for your long gun, such as 223Rem or 7.62x39mm. In the case of a firefight, chances are that your opponents will have some type of body armor. a 9x19mm at a distance won't stand much chance of penetration. If you want to have the best of both worlds, I think you can get a 9x19 upper for an AR15 as well as a 223.
 
I like to have as many guns as I can get my hands on.

IMHO:


The best weapon would be an M1A or AR-10 (FAL would be my third choice). These guns give you 20 rounds of .308. .308 is still used by the military (in machine guns and sniper rifles). It will give you the greatest long distance power. If a real militia insurgency ever happened hit and run sniper attacks would be the norm.

Your next best bet is an AR-15. Colt, Bushmaster, Armalite, DMPS, and a few other name brand manufacturers all put out good quality products. The .223 cal round is the #1 military round used in the world today. Ammo will always be in supply.

Finally, there is the AK series of rifles. AK's are fantastic Close quarter battle weapons. They are ultra reliable, and accurate enough for close quarter battle. If you want to stick with .223 get yourself a SAR-3 or a Vepr II. If you go with 7.62x39mm get yourself a SAR-1 or a Vepr II chambered for 7.62x39mm.

I would strongly advise starting off with an AK. You aren't going to do long distance shooting at first. More importantly, AK's are cheap right now. Mags are cheap. Ammo is cheap. Buy low and sale high eh?

-SS
 
The .308 makes the .223 look like a poodle shooter that it is. Do a search here for comparisons on these two calibers.

If you are of slight build, go with the AR15 in .223. If you are of normal, male build, go with a .308 . My preference is the FNFAL, but there is no over-riding reason to limit yourself to that, if your finances allow you the other choices. $5 FAL mags compared to $50 mags for the others is just one consideration, however
 
http://www.robarm.com/vepr ii 223.htm
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Next question?
 
George: He's not talking about the Red Chinese Militia, he's talking about those American militias, where the fat middle-aged wannabes play around in the woods.
 
I think common "militia" weapons (eg Ruger mini14, SKS, etc) might not be the best thing for a militia to use if you consider the tactics they will likely have to employ.

I would think the militia will always likely be outnumbered by better trained, and better equipped troops. Guerilla style tactics would be used, ambush, firing from behind concealed locations, etc.

They may be better off with a more accurate rifle offering less capacity. Cooper's scout concept might work real well for that.
 
RichardEdward,
What do the other members your group(or group you plan on joining) have? Ammo compatibility among members should be paramount. I have also spoke to members of groups that choose to use the same weapon exclusively for ease of maintenence and parts interchangability.


Zane
 
RichardEdward:

I was referring to Col. Jeff Cooper's scout rifle concept. No less than a ton of information is available on the idea; try the search function on this forum.

Basically though, the scout rifle is a short, light weight rifle of decent caliber (eg 308 win) with a forward mounted low powered scope. Action type depends on the preference of the user, but could be semi-auto, lever, or most commonly bolt.

I do not think a high capacity semi auto is necessarily what you need. It would seem unlikely a small group would want to attack a large army on a battlefield.
 
George

Could you or someone please tell me what kind of 30 round .223 mags are "readily available" that look like that?
 
I'm curious as well. From the Robinson Armament web site, looks like they only sell proprietary 5 and 10 round mag's for .... drum roll .... $45 each! I know the VEPR's do have a great reputation, but I wonder about the cost from RA? Nothing listed.

Sounds to me as though your best bets are indeed the old standbys noted above ... SKS, AK, AR, or for more penetration / range M1A, FAL, AR-10. Lots of good choices there, in cost and capabilities.

My strongest advice would be to purchase "Boston's Gun Bible" at www.javelinpress.com . Some of the best money you'll ever spend. Lots of good info re: your question. For such a significant investment, it is worth careful research.

Regards from AZ
 
Militia Weapon

A good militia weapon is any weapon that you can use with competence against a threat.

A good bolt action with scope in a common caliber is probably the best choice. After all, if you can use it properly after a day or so there will be plenty of fully auto or burst weapons available:)

Geoff Ross
 
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