I agree with the assessment on speeding tickets being legalized theft. I also concur that these fella's while not very prudent, were well within their rights to possess ten thousand rounds and fifty "assault" rifles if they so chose. I disagree however that they should have shot at the deputies. At that point they became criminals, and I applaud the LEO's that brought them in without injuring them.
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Motor Vehicle crashes are the leading cause of death for ages 5-32.
32% of all drivers 15-24 years of age involved in fatal crashes were speeding.
Drivers involved in speed related fatal crashes are more likely to have a history of traffic violations.
Nearly 40% of male drivers involved in fatal crashes were speeding.
In states that increased the highway speed limit to 65 mph, the fatalities increased by 30%.
In 1993, 40,115 people died in highway crashes. The equivilent of a jet crashing, killing 100 people EVERY day.
In 1992, 16 - 20 yr old ----
5,717 Fatal crashes,
75,000 Incapacitating injuries,
161,000 Non-Incapacitating injuries.
99 out of every 100 people injured in the United States Transportation System, are injured in motor vehicle crashes.
SOURCES
National Highway Safety Administration
Advocates for Highway Safety
National Highway Transportation Safety Administration
New Hampshire Department of Safety
National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
LawDog
32% of all drivers 15-24 years of age involved in fatal crashes were speeding.
Drivers involved in speed related fatal crashes are more likely to have a history of traffic violations.
Nearly 40% of male drivers involved in fatal crashes were speeding.
In states that increased the highway speed limit to 65 mph, the fatalities increased by 30%.
In 1993, 40,115 people died in highway crashes. The equivilent of a jet crashing, killing 100 people EVERY day.
In 1992, 16 - 20 yr old ----
5,717 Fatal crashes,
75,000 Incapacitating injuries,
161,000 Non-Incapacitating injuries.
99 out of every 100 people injured in the United States Transportation System, are injured in motor vehicle crashes.
SOURCES
National Highway Safety Administration
Advocates for Highway Safety
National Highway Transportation Safety Administration
New Hampshire Department of Safety
National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
LawDog
Lawdog, your point?
From your own statistics, MOST fatal crashes happen to people who were not speeding. Your stats actually imply that we'd be safer if we were speeding. I know that's incorrect, but your stats do show that.
Travelling above some ARBITRARY posted speed, does not imply that you are, or will, do anyone any harm.
The problem is that speed limits imply that the 32-year old guy driving a Porsche at 65mph at 3am is just as safe as an 82-year old guy driving a '72 Cadillac in the rain during rush hour. It just ain't so. The Caddie driver is MUCH closer to his limits than the Porsche driver.
I've spoken with highway engineers and they have told me that the speed limits are set for the worse case scenario: An 18-wheeler in the rain. I don't drive an 18-wheeler, so why am I stuck with his speed limit?
From your own statistics, MOST fatal crashes happen to people who were not speeding. Your stats actually imply that we'd be safer if we were speeding. I know that's incorrect, but your stats do show that.
Travelling above some ARBITRARY posted speed, does not imply that you are, or will, do anyone any harm.
The problem is that speed limits imply that the 32-year old guy driving a Porsche at 65mph at 3am is just as safe as an 82-year old guy driving a '72 Cadillac in the rain during rush hour. It just ain't so. The Caddie driver is MUCH closer to his limits than the Porsche driver.
I've spoken with highway engineers and they have told me that the speed limits are set for the worse case scenario: An 18-wheeler in the rain. I don't drive an 18-wheeler, so why am I stuck with his speed limit?
In the late 70s the NHTSA did a study that showed that exceeding the speed limit had at best a middling role in traffic accidents. They cited DUI, improper lane changes, inattentiveness, lack of rest, and other real-life factors as being the major causes of accidents.
Naturally, this was a blow to the Carter administrations wish to continue the 55 mph speed limit. So the report was changed.
When judging government reports, it is best to look at the first one, since the second one might very well be altered for political reasons.
Rick
PS. Cops are little more than rolling tax collectors. As well, there is no need to license drivers or register (tax and locate) their cars, boats, trailers, jetskis, or motorcycles. Unless, of course, your aim is to keep track of the herd.
Naturally, this was a blow to the Carter administrations wish to continue the 55 mph speed limit. So the report was changed.
When judging government reports, it is best to look at the first one, since the second one might very well be altered for political reasons.
Rick
PS. Cops are little more than rolling tax collectors. As well, there is no need to license drivers or register (tax and locate) their cars, boats, trailers, jetskis, or motorcycles. Unless, of course, your aim is to keep track of the herd.
As far as I can tell, my statistics show that for every 10 fatal accidents 4 of them were caused by someone driving too fast. The other six were caused by all other factors (drunks, hitting cows, snow, ice, fog, rain, going to sleep, low-speed incidents, inattention, distraction, carelessness, et al.) combined.
LawDog
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LawDog
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"As far as I can tell, my statistics show that for every 10 fatal accidents 4 of them were caused by someone driving too fast."
No. You read too much into the data. I saw nothing that would prove that at all. What they say, and I have seen many of these studies in their published format, is that a person crashed (and by the way) the person was exceeding the posted (and usually artificially low) speed limit.
If a drunk driver blowing .17BAC got in an accident and happened to be driving 55 in a 45, would it be likely to blame his speed or his inability to control the car at a rather normal speed?
This is like the Arthur Kellerman New England Journal of Medicine article (1986, 1993) stating that a gun in the home is 43 times (or 10 or 8 or 6 or 2.7 depending upon which article) more likely to kill a loved one or acquaintance than an intruder.
In Kellerman's studies, he never bothers to discover whether the "gun in the house" was the gun which was used in the suicide (or homicide). Instead, when a homicide was reported, he looks at the police report to see if the victim owned a gun. Kind of an important thing to fudge on, don't y'all think?
Rick
Rick
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No. You read too much into the data. I saw nothing that would prove that at all. What they say, and I have seen many of these studies in their published format, is that a person crashed (and by the way) the person was exceeding the posted (and usually artificially low) speed limit.
If a drunk driver blowing .17BAC got in an accident and happened to be driving 55 in a 45, would it be likely to blame his speed or his inability to control the car at a rather normal speed?
This is like the Arthur Kellerman New England Journal of Medicine article (1986, 1993) stating that a gun in the home is 43 times (or 10 or 8 or 6 or 2.7 depending upon which article) more likely to kill a loved one or acquaintance than an intruder.
In Kellerman's studies, he never bothers to discover whether the "gun in the house" was the gun which was used in the suicide (or homicide). Instead, when a homicide was reported, he looks at the police report to see if the victim owned a gun. Kind of an important thing to fudge on, don't y'all think?
Rick
Rick
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Hmm. Maybe I do read to much into the figures.
If a study says that 32% (40% male) of drivers involved in fatal collisions were speeding--well, that seems relatively cut-and-dried to me.
In Texas, someone who blows .17BAC involved in a fatal collision is filed under DWI. On Texas ST-3s (Report of Motor Vehicle Accident) the reporting officer lists (if I remember correctly) up to three contributing factors to the accident. The first (Primary) factor is one used by TxDOT and DPS as the cause of the accident.
What was the name and date of the original NHTSA study? The one that was changed?
Thanks,
LawDog
If a study says that 32% (40% male) of drivers involved in fatal collisions were speeding--well, that seems relatively cut-and-dried to me.
In Texas, someone who blows .17BAC involved in a fatal collision is filed under DWI. On Texas ST-3s (Report of Motor Vehicle Accident) the reporting officer lists (if I remember correctly) up to three contributing factors to the accident. The first (Primary) factor is one used by TxDOT and DPS as the cause of the accident.
What was the name and date of the original NHTSA study? The one that was changed?
Thanks,
LawDog
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>If a study says that 32% (40% male) of drivers involved in fatal collisions were speeding--well, that seems relatively cut-and-dried to me.[/quote]Maybe 32% of drivers overall are speeding, regardless of whether they're involved in an accident.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Now yer thinkin like an economist.[/quote]Prolly coulda shortened it to "Now yer thinkin."
BTW, why are we talkin lahk this here?
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