Military Handgun Ammunition

Strange isn't it......

All the rules of war, dont use ammo that might hurt someone, dont cuff POW's too tight, dont poo poo their unusual religeons, dont interrigate anyone (or if you do, dont hurt them) Don't scratch any civillians, be careful not to dishonour them.....

Them's the rules the US & partners have to follow.....:rolleyes:

So, what are the rules for the terrorists? what rules do they follow? The Geneva convention? UN? NATO?
Hmmmm I wonder??:(
 
I haven't been watching too many movies, but I have read all of Richard Marcinko's books. He is the plank owner of SEAL team 6. If you want to call him a liar, be my guest.
 
I haven't been watching too many movies, but I have read all of Richard Marcinko's books. He is the plank owner of SEAL team 6. If you want to call him a liar, be my guest.
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The first two books... maybe... but the rest of them? Seriously?

I think you've been watching too many movies. That's not how it goes in the real world.
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What real world would that be?

All the rules of war, dont use ammo that might hurt someone, dont cuff POW's too tight, dont poo poo their unusual religeons, dont interrigate anyone (or if you do, dont hurt them) Don't scratch any civillians, be careful not to dishonour them.....

Them's the rules the US & partners have to follow.....

So, what are the rules for the terrorists? what rules do they follow? The Geneva convention? UN? NATO?
Hmmmm I wonder??
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We can interrigate... we just can't torture ;)
And we do a lot more than scratch civillians. There's a formula to figure out how many civilians can be killed just to get one or more BG's.
And because we do follow the rules, that's what makes us better.
 
And because we do follow the rules, that's what makes us better.
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I basically agree, but the subject's a slippery slope. Not all rules are "right", nor are we "right" if we follow a "right" rule for a "wrong" reason.

Returning to subject: I must admit, it's gotta be easier for medics to dig bullets out of wounded soldiers when they haven't fractured into a zillion pieces inside the body.
 
Like I said Bush is out of office so we can start buying the country back from China and the rest of the world.
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With what?! Your grandkids will be paying on our national debt!

Yes, the current occupant of the Oval Office is a model for economic reform, although by his own admission he doesn't understand the stock market. Tripling the national debt is a GREAT way to bring prosperity to the US! No, really!

Let's stick to the topic at hand, shall we?
 
They do use "Open Tip" Match ammo in Rifles. The JAG determined that the Match ammo Like 168gr SMK are designed not to cause more injury but to enhance accuracy so its OK. Same with the 77gr 5.56 Designated marksman ammo. We used it in Afghanistan and Iraq with no problems. In 2006 they came out and said to stop using it for about 2 weeks but then lifted the order so it was OK to use again.

A long time ago it was banned. The old LC 168gr Match ammo had a kind of knurling around the case so it would not be mistaken in the dark for war stock ammo. Some folks thought it was made that way so I could not be reloaded, wrong. When I went to Sniper school We were not allowed to use Open Tip ammo in combat. The standard was the old 173gr LC Match for practice and Combat.

The Military has also been testing Federal EFMJ ammo in 9mm. I think it will be issued soon because it works very good. I am retired now but some of my friends that are still in have used it, all were in SOCOM units but I think it will replace the 9MM NATO 124gr Ball ammo in the next few years, at least for combat troops.

Any of the above info can be found just Google it and search. You can even get the JAG ruling on it in PDF format.

Remember in the military, penetration and Reliability are the most important factors, much more so than expansion or stopping power. It been my experience you put a few bullets in a guy and he pretty much stops fighting you and looks around for a band aid or a place to go where he is not getting holes punched in his hide. Reliability is the other major issue with the way Bullets are made. A FMJ is the most reliable in a Automatic Firearm, not necessarily the cheapest.
 
Funny how the US is the only nation that seems to follow any rules of engagement or laws of war...

But just let any of our servicemen screw up & the world comes raining down.
 
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The US Coast Guard does use the .40 S&W when they are on land in the US.
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I'm slow, I should have seen this earlier. The Coast Guard uses .40 S&W at all times now in their PDW (which is some flavor of Sig with that godawful DAK trigger), not just "when they're on land". Sadly, I got out before we made the switch, but from what I understand they use JHP ammo when conducting LE actions in US waters, and FMJ when conducting military actions.

Back in the day when I was a Coastie (protip: not that long ago) it was all 124 grain ball ammo in M9 Berettas.
 
We follow the Hague Accords on ammunition for the same reason that most nations signed it in the first place: It doesn't mean a thing in the long run. Small arms fire accounts for a minority of casualties, and the predominant small arm, the rifle, already causes wounds inconsistent with a "through-and-through."
 
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