Michigan CCW Question

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"I live in Mich. I have been doing a lot of ride-alongs lately,[ I just came in from one right before I logged on tonight, er, this morning ] and I can tell you first hand if you are being stopped by the police, they have already run your plate, and know if you have a CPL or any wants or warrents, if you're suspended, have any domestic violence history etc. Mich. law states- If you are stopped by the police, [it doesn't matter if you're in a car or on foot] you must inform the officer immediately that you are a CPL holder. Whether you are carrying or not doesn't matter,......"

Don't know who you do your ride-alongs with, but that statement is incorrect. If an LEO told you that, he's full of crap. In Michigan, you only need to inform if you are carrying when stopped.


Nail
 
Nailshooter-The law says you must inform the LEO if you are carrying. That is correct. But the point is, they already know if you have a CPL in this state, when they stop you. They DON"T know whether or not you are carrying, so the wise thing to do is inform the LEO that you are a CPL holder and whether you are carrying or not. Depending on what they stopped you for, it might make things go a little smoother to just say-"I've got a CPL and I'm not carrying today, or yes I am carrying today.
The OP's question was how to tell an LEO that you are carrying without informing the others in the car. I don't see how that's possible without saying something to him asap, because the first thing he's going to ask is "Are you carrying a weapon of any type?", and if you are and didn't inform him right away, you'll be in violation of Mich. law.
The reason, I, said whther you are carrying or not doesn't matter is because they are going to check you to see if you're carrying, if it comes up on LIEN that you have a CPL and don't tell them right away. How do they know that just because you managed to qualify for your CPL, you aren't out to do something you shouldn't be. A number of people get their CPL's suspended or revoked for carrying, or using their CPL's, in an illegal manner each year.
For all they know, you may have just decided that you don't feel it's necessary to inform them that you are holding, so didn't. It's far better and easier to just tell them you have a CPL and whether or not you are carrying.
 
I would not worry too much about what your liberal friends think. The reality is that you MUST follow the law if pulled over and that comes before any ill feelings your friends have. If they don't like it tell them to get their own ride to work.
 
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"Gun 4 Fun Nailshooter-The law says you must inform the LEO if you are carrying. That is correct. But the point is, they already know if you have a CPL in this state, when they stop you........
The reason, I, said whther you are carrying or not doesn't matter is because they are going to check you to see if you're carrying, if it comes up on LIEN..........It's far better and easier to just tell them you have a CPL and whether or not you are carrying."


Gun 4 Fun, we are getting closer to being on the same page. In your first post in this thread you stated something as law that was not, I corrected that bit of misinformation.

Also, the correct acronym is LEIN, which stands for Law Enforcement Information Network.

As far as it being "better and easier to just tell them you have a CPL whether or not you are carrying", that is again your personal opinion. You stated that they know that you hold a CPL as soon as they run your plate/DL, so in almost all cases they already know before they get to the car window. You seem to imply that I should expect to be searched if I am NOT carrying and don't inform? Well, I'm pretty sure that LEO can search you anytime you are stopped--CPL or not. It's sad if the LEO that you ride with automatically view CPL holders with extra scrutiny.

LEO with any common sense should know that a CPL holder has been criminal background checked about the same as they have been when they applied for their LEO job. Contact with a citizen holding a CPL permit should be a comfort to an LEO, not a source of anxiety. The CPL holder should be viewed as "one of the good guys", same as the cops view themselves. That's my personal opinion and I'm stating it as such.

Nail
 
The CPL holder should be viewed as "one of the good guys", same as the cops view themselves. That's my personal opinion and I'm stating it as such.
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And that tends to be the case, the only time suspicion and scrutiny come up is when YOU DON'T MENTION YOUR CPL. It forces the cop to wonder "why is this person, likely to be armed, not tellling me anything." Did you forget, are you up to no good, are you intoxicated or under the influence of narcotics? (things that'll get your CPL suspended if you are in posession of a firearm while doing so.) The cop doesn't know. Remember that police work is a genuinely dangerous occupation and with a question like "Isn't this guy supposed to be armed?" hovering over their head, suspicions are natural.

Seriously, the cop's got enough to worry about in his day, give him a break and eliminate one more worry: it costs you NOTHING.
 
Nail- you seem to be intent on being "RIGHT". We are on the same page, and I think the same side? If you check my last tag I stated that "I" said that it doesn't matter if you are carrying or not. As far as LEIN, come on- are you a professional typist? You've never transposed lettes in any of your tags? I try to be careful of my spelling and spacings, but I sometimes miss one.
+++111 on what ChicagoTex said.
That's exactly the point I was making. The officers I have been riding with don't view CPL holders as suspicious, quite the contrary. They know that they have gone through extensive background checks and met all the requirements of our state to get their CPL's. They even tend to leave them alone because of that, unless they've just committed an offense that can't be ignored, such as speeding well above posted limits, running red lights, etc.
But, if they have to stop someone with a CPL, and they don't inform right away of their CPL, the cop is gonna wonder why. Did they forget? Have they been drinking? Are they ****** at their spouse about something and have decided to "fix" things? Get what I'm saying? I don't blame them, after all their number one goal is to go home safe at the end of their shift.
When a CPL holder fails to inform, the officer has to assume the person is carrying, and be concerned with all of the above. If you know that they are going to check you before getting out of their car, but have no way of knowing if you are carrying, when they approach your window, why not just tell them yea, or nea. Give them a break and put them at ease. Who knows, maybe they'll return the favour.
 
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Vanden: Liberals will not have a problem with you carrying a gun. Liberals are open-minded people, they respect other views even if they do not agree with them. Liberals do not pass judgement on people that have different political views, they will respect you for exercising your legal right as a citizen of Michigan to carry a weapon, a liberal may even be persuaded to take up shooting because they would'nt even be a liberal if they did keep an open mind to new ideas. Your community and friends are not liberals, they are Fascists. My advice is: Tell the police that you are carrying no matter who is in your car. If your passengers do not like your gun, show them how liberal YOU are, and tell them that you will still be their friend.
 
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Nailshooter-The law says you must inform the LEO if you are carrying. That is correct. But the point is, they already know if you have a CPL in this state, when they stop you. They DON"T know whether or not you are carrying, so the wise thing to do is inform the LEO that you are a CPL holder and whether you are carrying or not.
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Don't worry. Simply have your DL, CPL, POI, and registration ready, hand them all to the cop and HE'LL ask the questions. You are informing him when you hand him your CPL. He'll most likely ask, "Are you currently carrying a firearm, sir?" Tell him no, or where it's at. Different areas determine what happens next.
 
In Michigan you MUST inform any LIO that you are carry if you are pulled over or appproached on the street or in the woods by Conservation Officers.
If you wait for them to ask you could have a problem.
 
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