Optical Serenity
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Oh boy, I think Mexico has lost some serious focus...
Mexico Demands U.S. Allow More Immigration
- Thread starter TheBluesMan
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Hell with the Mexican government. 
We sure don't need their pathetic third world system or problems. They send their poor people up here to live off our wealth and gradually take over the The South and the Southwest politically so they (their government) can ultimately have economic control of our states. And, de facto, that is what is happening. Bring our men home from Iraq and defend our own border. Illegal alien is by definition someone who is breaking the law. They are criminals. I think even Tejanos and other Latin American born Americans living in Texas and the Southwest oppose this cultural and economic invasion of our states.
http://www.vdare.org/awall/mexican_reconquistas.htm
http://www.buchanan.org/pa-00-0428-troubleintheneighborhood.html
Heck (half kidding half serious) why don't we bring our soldiers home and send them to invade a real threat to us. Bush seems to take after Woodrow Wilson (Making the World Safe for Democracy and all that rubbish) why doesn't he bring our men home and "Teach the south americans to elect good men" as Wilson sent Pershing to do in Mexico.
We sure don't need their pathetic third world system or problems. They send their poor people up here to live off our wealth and gradually take over the The South and the Southwest politically so they (their government) can ultimately have economic control of our states. And, de facto, that is what is happening. Bring our men home from Iraq and defend our own border. Illegal alien is by definition someone who is breaking the law. They are criminals. I think even Tejanos and other Latin American born Americans living in Texas and the Southwest oppose this cultural and economic invasion of our states.http://www.vdare.org/awall/mexican_reconquistas.htm
http://www.buchanan.org/pa-00-0428-troubleintheneighborhood.html
Heck (half kidding half serious) why don't we bring our soldiers home and send them to invade a real threat to us. Bush seems to take after Woodrow Wilson (Making the World Safe for Democracy and all that rubbish) why doesn't he bring our men home and "Teach the south americans to elect good men" as Wilson sent Pershing to do in Mexico.
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Cowled_Wolfe
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Hmm... We can either spend money on the problem, and patch up the border for good... Or we can watch that same money seeping through the holes indefinately.
Wolfe.
Wolfe.
Cowled_Wolfe
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Redworm, I'm mainly against illegal immigration, though I think we need tighter controls on people legally entering the country -- say, making sure temporary workers don't try for a permanant stay.
Wolfe.
Wolfe.
Mexico is demanding things from the good ole USA huh? A slight variation of a good ole saying is "you can demand in one hand and crap in the other, guess which is going ot get fuller faster."
"Do you reeeeeally think a couple of thousand border patrolmen and a fence can cover several thousand miles of border much less round up and catch all those crossing the deserts"
The communists were pretty good about it with the Berlin Wall. I wonder if the designer is still around???
"Do you reeeeeally think a couple of thousand border patrolmen and a fence can cover several thousand miles of border much less round up and catch all those crossing the deserts"
The communists were pretty good about it with the Berlin Wall. I wonder if the designer is still around???
crack shot
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a fence won't work
a fence won't work. You know its a problem when you see a street sign on the highway letting you know to watch for immigrants running across the highway. It has a man a woman and a little child all stick figures running on a yellow sign.
a fence won't work. You know its a problem when you see a street sign on the highway letting you know to watch for immigrants running across the highway. It has a man a woman and a little child all stick figures running on a yellow sign.
The Israelies put up a fence, and islamic suicide bombings there fell from every day to nearly zero. India is putting up fences along the Kashmir and Bangladesh borders to keep out islamic terrorists, obviously they think it's worthwhile despite the cost.
A proper military-grade double fence/wall, aggressively patrolled and with electronic servellence, can and would stop illegal border crossings to nearly zero, with the current level of border agents. This would pay for itself in just a few years.
A proper military-grade double fence/wall, aggressively patrolled and with electronic servellence, can and would stop illegal border crossings to nearly zero, with the current level of border agents. This would pay for itself in just a few years.
shooter429
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Give them a deadline
As was suggested to me by a child not long ago, we should answer Mexicos demands with a deadline-all along the southern border. It will be enforced with satellites, electronic personnel detecting devices, drones and anti-personnel devices and ground troops. Anybody violating the fence (deadline) without authorization is, well, dead. His reasoning was that they are essentially an invading force composed of drug-runners/gangsters and terrorists from all over the globe.
Ahh, from the mouths of babes.
And I said, "son, I like the way you think."
shooter429
As was suggested to me by a child not long ago, we should answer Mexicos demands with a deadline-all along the southern border. It will be enforced with satellites, electronic personnel detecting devices, drones and anti-personnel devices and ground troops. Anybody violating the fence (deadline) without authorization is, well, dead. His reasoning was that they are essentially an invading force composed of drug-runners/gangsters and terrorists from all over the globe.
Ahh, from the mouths of babes.
And I said, "son, I like the way you think."
shooter429
Periodic high profile busts and subsequent perp walks of people who hire illegal border crossers will go a long way toward chilling the enthusiasm for their services. Its all about the cost of labor. Raise the cost // risk of off the books labor (same as lowering the return) and it will go away.
I strongly support the idea of a fence along the SW border and stepped up enforcement along the northern border. I also think that with a little legislative tweeking that we can make it less desireable for illegals to live here and they will voluntarily go home. I think that:
* No public assistance for illegals or LPRs that have been here less than 5 years. LPR's sponsors are supposed to support them financially! Let them!
* No B2 admissions for over 30 days without border inspector supervisor approval.
* Eliminate "Anchor babies". Legislate that all newborns have the same legal status as their mothers. This will not violate the 14th amendment.
* Require that all employers verify SS#s with the SS Administration. Require them to report discrepancies to ICE.
* Verify status of all students at ALL levels of schools. Report all violators to ICE for immediate removal.
* Intense worksite enforcement. Violators removed immediately. Employers knowing hiring illegals to be fined $10,000 for each occurance.
* No free medical care for illegals.
* Enforce Immigration Reform Act of 1996 AS WRITTEN. The alien at the border (airport POE) must PROVE ADMISSIBILITY. Currently border officers are required to prove INadmissibility.
These are just a few thoughts that definitely would help.
If you like those ideas, WRITE YOUR CONGRESS CRITTERS!!!
* No public assistance for illegals or LPRs that have been here less than 5 years. LPR's sponsors are supposed to support them financially! Let them!
* No B2 admissions for over 30 days without border inspector supervisor approval.
* Eliminate "Anchor babies". Legislate that all newborns have the same legal status as their mothers. This will not violate the 14th amendment.
* Require that all employers verify SS#s with the SS Administration. Require them to report discrepancies to ICE.
* Verify status of all students at ALL levels of schools. Report all violators to ICE for immediate removal.
* Intense worksite enforcement. Violators removed immediately. Employers knowing hiring illegals to be fined $10,000 for each occurance.
* No free medical care for illegals.
* Enforce Immigration Reform Act of 1996 AS WRITTEN. The alien at the border (airport POE) must PROVE ADMISSIBILITY. Currently border officers are required to prove INadmissibility.
These are just a few thoughts that definitely would help.
If you like those ideas, WRITE YOUR CONGRESS CRITTERS!!!
Eh, it depends. I used to hire guys standing at gas stations, probably illegal but I never knew for sure, because they would work all day for the same pay as anyone else but without the complaints. Hundred bucks each and a bottle of tequila and these guys would dig holes and plant trees for me all day long.
I hired them because they worked harder, not because they were cheaper. They wound up getting paid more for their work than the guys who actually filled out 1099s because these guys busted more ass.
I just think the fence is a dumb idea. I believe the better solution is to make it easier to get here legally than illegally. Then everyone benefits, from the workers to the contractors to the law enforcers that can focus on keeping enemies of the state out as oppossed to guys that are going to be mowing lawns and picking tomatos. The only people who are screwed in this scenario are the citizens of this country that are too lazy to actually work harder than people from other countries and feel they're "owed" jobs because they were born here.That's just from my short personal experience, however.
I don't think anyone here illegally should have any kind of public assistance, regardless of how long they've been here. I don't see why a guy that doesn't pay taxes should ever be allowed to benefit from welfare.
I'd rather have the risk be greater. I wouldn't want to deny any child the opportunities of being an American citizen because his parents made a mistake but the parents shouldn't be allowed to use thier child to stay here. Thus, send the parents back and give the child to a family that wants to adopt a child and can actually provide for him. I think the risk of losing one's child will stem this problem far better than simply bussing them back across the border.
Now that I wouldn't like. I like hiring guys, legal or otherwise, and allowing them to take home what they made working for me. I don't mind eating the tax penalties myself. Either way the system gets its' money so why should a guy that wanted to make some extra cash for a week have to pay it if I'm willing to?
Can you imagine the kind of manpower it would take to go to every house builder and landscaper and verify the legality of the employees? When I ran a landscape company I had at least half a dozen active job sites per day and we're a very small operation. Would this really be possible?
Awesome possum. That would be yet another incentive for them to come here legally. THough can you imagine the political fall out as hundreds of immigrants are turned away at the emergency room and left to die in the street?
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andersencs
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Por favor!
Enough is enough. Iif the United States is to retain any semblance of soverignty-despite the unrelenting onslaught of the U.N, we must tell the free immigration people to go to hell and get in line with anyone else who wants to come to the land of the big PX.
A nation must have certain indispensible characteristics in order to continue as a naation: a common language; a common culture; a common values system and a common heritage. The Mestizo peasants flooding our nation have no intention of assimilating into American society. They will insist on all government functions being bi-lingual. They will insist on national Hispanic holidays and they will have to political clout to do so if we don't stop them.
As I have said, a nation needs certain bedrock qualities in order to survive. Uncontrolled immigration and open borders will undermine these qualities and turn the United States into athird-world, Balkanized collection of semi-autonomous regions.
It is time to tell Congress, the Senate and the President that we demand that they kick the cheap labor-instant constituent habit. Tell the President and the Republicans that their mega corporate handlers that we, the American Citizens own this country and we are taking it back. Furthermore, we need to tell the Democrats and their radical mini Marxist supporters that they need to reinvent their party with more traditional mainstream values and kick their reliance on the "instant constituents" they seek to create through pandering to these infiltrating trespassers.
For my part, I would dig a sizeable trench from the Gulf coast to the western coast of Baja and let the oceans come in. Then I would build a substantial wall along the trench and make a concerted effort to round up every last illegal and ship him or her home.
Then we could have an orderly, equal and fair immigration process for all prospective immigrants. We could actually vet each applicant and check the bonefides of each prospective American.
This would be the most-certain process of retaining our teritorial integrity and soverignty. Ironically, the government could probably recruit ten million illegals to dig the trench-that's how diligent the Federal government has been in defending the borders.
In conclusion, if I may borrow a paraphrase from Patrick Henry, give me soverignty or give me death.
Enough is enough. Iif the United States is to retain any semblance of soverignty-despite the unrelenting onslaught of the U.N, we must tell the free immigration people to go to hell and get in line with anyone else who wants to come to the land of the big PX.
A nation must have certain indispensible characteristics in order to continue as a naation: a common language; a common culture; a common values system and a common heritage. The Mestizo peasants flooding our nation have no intention of assimilating into American society. They will insist on all government functions being bi-lingual. They will insist on national Hispanic holidays and they will have to political clout to do so if we don't stop them.
As I have said, a nation needs certain bedrock qualities in order to survive. Uncontrolled immigration and open borders will undermine these qualities and turn the United States into athird-world, Balkanized collection of semi-autonomous regions.
It is time to tell Congress, the Senate and the President that we demand that they kick the cheap labor-instant constituent habit. Tell the President and the Republicans that their mega corporate handlers that we, the American Citizens own this country and we are taking it back. Furthermore, we need to tell the Democrats and their radical mini Marxist supporters that they need to reinvent their party with more traditional mainstream values and kick their reliance on the "instant constituents" they seek to create through pandering to these infiltrating trespassers.
For my part, I would dig a sizeable trench from the Gulf coast to the western coast of Baja and let the oceans come in. Then I would build a substantial wall along the trench and make a concerted effort to round up every last illegal and ship him or her home.
Then we could have an orderly, equal and fair immigration process for all prospective immigrants. We could actually vet each applicant and check the bonefides of each prospective American.
This would be the most-certain process of retaining our teritorial integrity and soverignty. Ironically, the government could probably recruit ten million illegals to dig the trench-that's how diligent the Federal government has been in defending the borders.
In conclusion, if I may borrow a paraphrase from Patrick Henry, give me soverignty or give me death.