Methodist Church Anti-Gun?
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Jeff Thomas
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I can understand remaining in a church to continue helping them see the truth about the RKBA. I can't understand tithing there if you know some of your donations are going to the Violence Policy Center.
I have found the same. Many denominational churches such as United Church of Christ and United Methodist, Pres., etc. have become quite liberal (Gays, Guns, etc.). I originally belonged to a United Brethern in Christ and even graduatedfrom their college.
My wife was a Methodist and now has much difficulty with much of their liberial positions.
I have since belonged to two non-denominational churches the present being solid in belief and teachings. I feel quite at home. The minister said something interesting "A church has enough problems on it's own let alone belonging to a denomination."
He had a point. Denominational or not just make sure you are being fed with the truth of the word!
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My wife was a Methodist and now has much difficulty with much of their liberial positions.
I have since belonged to two non-denominational churches the present being solid in belief and teachings. I feel quite at home. The minister said something interesting "A church has enough problems on it's own let alone belonging to a denomination."
He had a point. Denominational or not just make sure you are being fed with the truth of the word!
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Jedi Oomodo
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Warning! The following statements are the sole, humble opinion of Sarabian Oomodo, and do not reflect the views of the Jedi Council or The Firing Line staff. 
Political activism is not the work of the church. The New Testament is the only pattern we have in this day and age for how to worship and serve God, and it does not authorize churches to get involved in political affairs. It only authorizes them to do the work of spreading the Gospel. Any other work/use of the church or its facilities is not in keeping with the NT.
As for being in a church whose political views are not in keeping with my own- this, as well as the above paragraph, are some of the reasons why I do not belong to any denomination (I am a former Southern Baptist, BTW) and placed membership at an autonomous local congregation that is very conservative in its interpretation of the Bible. We have no creed, and no governing body that presumes to speak for its members on political issues.
The NT also does not authorize the collecting of churches together into denominations or creeds. Many of todays denominations have strayed so far from God's truth that they no longer preach the Bible, hence we have churches teaching that homosexuality isn't wrong, or one Baptist denomination's recent resolution that wives don't have to submit to their husbands (read Ephesians lately, guys?) as a sad but not-surprising result.
If'n I were you, I would not join the UMC, and explain to your wife why you have made this decision. You also might want to consider persuading her to leave UMC, as well.
I realize some of my remarks may have offended, but I hope not. No flaming on TFL, please!
If any wishes to discuss it, I welcome you to do so- by email.
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Only in America, we're slaves to be free/Only in America, we kill the unborn, to make ends meet/Only in America, sexuality is democracy/Only in America, we stamp our god "In God we trust"
What is right or wrong?
I don't know who to believe in
My soul sings a different song, in America
If it isna Scottish, it's CRAP! RKBA!
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Political activism is not the work of the church. The New Testament is the only pattern we have in this day and age for how to worship and serve God, and it does not authorize churches to get involved in political affairs. It only authorizes them to do the work of spreading the Gospel. Any other work/use of the church or its facilities is not in keeping with the NT.
As for being in a church whose political views are not in keeping with my own- this, as well as the above paragraph, are some of the reasons why I do not belong to any denomination (I am a former Southern Baptist, BTW) and placed membership at an autonomous local congregation that is very conservative in its interpretation of the Bible. We have no creed, and no governing body that presumes to speak for its members on political issues.
The NT also does not authorize the collecting of churches together into denominations or creeds. Many of todays denominations have strayed so far from God's truth that they no longer preach the Bible, hence we have churches teaching that homosexuality isn't wrong, or one Baptist denomination's recent resolution that wives don't have to submit to their husbands (read Ephesians lately, guys?) as a sad but not-surprising result.
If'n I were you, I would not join the UMC, and explain to your wife why you have made this decision. You also might want to consider persuading her to leave UMC, as well.
I realize some of my remarks may have offended, but I hope not. No flaming on TFL, please!
If any wishes to discuss it, I welcome you to do so- by email.------------------
Only in America, we're slaves to be free/Only in America, we kill the unborn, to make ends meet/Only in America, sexuality is democracy/Only in America, we stamp our god "In God we trust"
What is right or wrong?
I don't know who to believe in
My soul sings a different song, in America
If it isna Scottish, it's CRAP! RKBA!
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Denominational churches are a case by case study, like people. I happen to go to an Independant Baptist Church, which believes the Bible. GOD condemns Homosexuality, sin, sin, pro-self-defense, pro-capital punishment. Need verses? E-mail me.
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"Those that give up essential liberties for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.
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"Those that give up essential liberties for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.
Here are my experience with the United Methodist Church (UMC). Hopefully I did not stray to far from the subject, however several things all happened at the same time.
I grew up in the UMC until I started to taking my daughter to an evening kid event at a Baptist church. While waiting I would set in and listen to the Bible study. I learned more in 6 months than I had in 38 years in the UMC.
About the same time this was happening my farther gave me some articles about the UMC regarding gun control and the other politically correct things the UMC was promoting against the Bible's teachings and he ended up in a Baptist church after 63 years being a Methodist.
The thing that pushed me over the edge was when I read in the NRA's anti Bill of Rights list about the UMC. I went and searched the UMC web site, found out the statements were true and no longer contribute to the UMC.
At the local UMC the people are nice and the bibles are dusty. I would advise you to talk your wife into joining the Baptist church with you, and not only because of the UMC's stance on the Bill of Rights.
I grew up in the UMC until I started to taking my daughter to an evening kid event at a Baptist church. While waiting I would set in and listen to the Bible study. I learned more in 6 months than I had in 38 years in the UMC.
About the same time this was happening my farther gave me some articles about the UMC regarding gun control and the other politically correct things the UMC was promoting against the Bible's teachings and he ended up in a Baptist church after 63 years being a Methodist.
The thing that pushed me over the edge was when I read in the NRA's anti Bill of Rights list about the UMC. I went and searched the UMC web site, found out the statements were true and no longer contribute to the UMC.
At the local UMC the people are nice and the bibles are dusty. I would advise you to talk your wife into joining the Baptist church with you, and not only because of the UMC's stance on the Bill of Rights.
If one grew up in an independent,fundamental Baptist church, was saved and believed what that church taught, there would be no way you could become a Methodist. Certainly not in the liberal Methodist churches of today. Doctrinally a fundamental Baptist church and a Methodist church are poles apart. To satisfy yourself start with the question as to how you get to Heaven. I have asked many members of Methodist churches the question of how to be saved or go to Heaven. Only one person has known the answer. Literally all others have answered that they don't know. My wife was raised a Methodist and her parents and most of her kin were Methodist, so I do know something about what they believe. This is too important an issue to take lightly. Know what you believe and why you believe it and stand firm in the faith. Jerry
Important question. It is vitally important to know the doctrines of a church before considering investing your time and money in it. In doing so, one becomes an enabler to that which the church sponsers and teaches. I think you have probably reached your own conclusion by now, so I won't add my .02c.
Matrix, if you don't have a good church in your area, there are always good Biblical taped teaching/preaching available from my church. It is independent from any denomination, Bible college, semenary, or religious affiliation. It is dependent upon God as expressed in the Bible. Specific details given on request. I am writing a book right now, but as soon as its done, will have time to devote to the tape ministry. The Bible has much to say about the right to keep and bear arms. That is the main reason America was founded upon this liberty, while many other nations exercise civilian disarmament. My church web site is under construction, but if you e-mail me, I can put you on my list to receive taped messages. I will answer any specific questions concerning our doctrinal beliefs upon request.
The same offer is open to everyone here as well. EQUALIZERplus@netscape.net
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"But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip; and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." -Jesus Christ (Luke 22:36, see John 3:15-18)
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Matrix, if you don't have a good church in your area, there are always good Biblical taped teaching/preaching available from my church. It is independent from any denomination, Bible college, semenary, or religious affiliation. It is dependent upon God as expressed in the Bible. Specific details given on request. I am writing a book right now, but as soon as its done, will have time to devote to the tape ministry. The Bible has much to say about the right to keep and bear arms. That is the main reason America was founded upon this liberty, while many other nations exercise civilian disarmament. My church web site is under construction, but if you e-mail me, I can put you on my list to receive taped messages. I will answer any specific questions concerning our doctrinal beliefs upon request.
The same offer is open to everyone here as well. EQUALIZERplus@netscape.net
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"But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip; and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." -Jesus Christ (Luke 22:36, see John 3:15-18)
[This message has been edited by EQUALIZER (edited March 13, 2000).]