Methodist Church Anti-Gun?

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I was raised as an independent Baptist, but now my wife has asked me to join the Methodist church. I don't have a problem in making a change, but I want to question some of the United Methodist political policies.
Someone told me that they have lent their name to anti-gun policies. I know for a fact that they oppose the death penalty.
DO any of you belong to this denomination?
How do you reconcile this with your personal faith?
Thanks for your input.
 
I used to go to a methodist church with my parents. My dad switched us to Assembly of God when he figured out the Methodists were giving some of his tithe money to some Marxists in Angola. (this was a long time ago) I have since read they are pretty liberal in quite a few political issues.
 
I'm a lifelong but generally non-practicing Methodist, and I'd describe the United Methodist Church's position on gun control as anti-democratic, unconstitutional, irrational, and nauseating.

Excerpts from the UMC "Book of Resolutions:"

"The Church

"Calls upon the United States government to establish a national ban on the importation, manufacture, sale, and possession of handguns and handgun ammunition, with reasonable limited exceptions. Such exceptions should be restricted to: the police, the military, licensed security guards, antique dealers who maintain guns in unfireable condition, and licensed pistol clubs where firearms are kept on the premises under secure conditions. Those who comply with the law and turn in their guns should be compensated at fair values through a cash payment or tax credit.

"Opposes the licensing of individuals to carry concealed weapons. Special controls should be applied to the handgun, for it is the most deadly and least utilitarian weapon in American society. Because the handgun is concealable, it is the weapon of crime; because the handgun is available, it is the instrument used in suicides and crimes of passion."

And on and on. For the rest of this idiocy see the following, but have some Pepto-Bismol handy:

http://umns.umc.org/backgrounders/guncontrol.html

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A church - or their disgusting policies, shouldn't have anything to do with faith in God. A church , because it empowers itself to be such, is no different then any other organization nor does it hold authority before God ( especially these days ). Jesus died so there would be no one between you & God. Believe in God as you know him and to hell with some policy made up by man.

Look at it this way - most churches nowdays
don't think the bible condems homosexuality. Obviously they can't even read so their internal policies are meaningless.

Edit - adder: I hear so many people at odds w/ their churches these days, it makes me damn mad that they can't teach what they were told to but have to shove some BS liberal crap and try to justify it with Gods words when He clearly has nothing to do with it. No different then the Govt inserts they had in the Russian churches - moving more propaganda.

I think that since you don't agree with their policies you'd probably be happier where you knew that it was "right". Good Luck !

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The UMC was the major backer/founder of HCI. Does that answer your question?

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Gopher a 45 - I stopped at a gun store on my way back from the range last Friday and started talking with the only customer also looking at used shotguns. After 5 or 10 minutes of gun talk, he asked if I go to church in the area and if I do he would like to invite me to his Baptist church because the minister allows (and encourages?) concealed carry. This was a first for me in my 49 years. John
 
I was raised in the Methodist church and can tell you that it was taken over by extreme liberal forces, on a national level, many years ago. Not only were they part of a group helping to support Marxists (as mentioned above), but they changed the church into a "politically correct" organization. Besides trying to make a unisex God, they stopped using old hymns that I grew up with. After all, "Onward Christian Soldiers" is pretty warlike, isn't it?

Yes they are antigun and anti-RKBA. Find another church, I did.

Dave
 
Folks, it isn't just the UMC, it is also the Episcopalians, and the Presbyterians (PCUSA). I'm a lifelong presbyterian, and it befuddles me as to why they go back on their heritage. A Presbyterian minister invented the chemicals used in the modern primer for God's -sakes! I'm chapped at my churches' organization for allowing them to support the center to prevent handgun violence. I think that is the political wing of HCI inc. Like the NRA-ILA. The ecumenical agreement between the PCUSA, UMC, and EC is a move to unite under one body of Christ. Unfortunately, they are all moving away from him. I will still attend church at my PCUSA, but when I found out they supported gun control, I mentioned my objection to the pastor, and to the session members. I made an announcement during congregational sharing, and told the treasurer that my tythes will now go to the local food pantry which is still doing God's work. I also posted the copy of the financial statement of the PCUSA and their resolution to support the CPHV on the church bulletin board. My individual congregation is very conservative, and they support what I do. Maybe I should get into a church office so that I can raise cain at the next presbytery meeting.
 
Somewhat odd, but my pastor at my methodist church is a regular at bullseye competitions in our area. I spoke with the District supervisor, and he said that yes the church is anti-gun, but should not discrimintae against those who exercise their rights.

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Careful guys - RKBA aside - TFL does not allow the bashing of any church for any reason.
Religion has been the cause of most and the most longest lasting wars on earth. We dont want any of those wars igniting here.
Keep it Tame.
 
I would go along with KJM on this...

Rather than finding another church, work to help them understand that the position they have taken is morally wrong.

The bible does teach self defense, and stands for the oppressed. Why would someone willingly allow themselves to be put in a position that is counter to this?

I would work from within to try to change the policies at the local level first, then try to excpand that.

I have been investigating my wifes church now for a few years, not quite sure of where I stand, vs what they believe. Probably not far off, but to the best of my knowledge, the are not anti-gun, which is good...

It's a truly sad day when the church intervenes in politics though, whether it's a persons right to carry, or a right to choose. Whether you support these, or others, just remember, it's your rights, guaranteed by natural law, and you should be allowed to make your own decisions without reprecussion.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jaydee:
Rather than finding another church, work to help them understand that the position they have taken is morally wrong.[/quote]

I agree, especially WRT the United Methodist Church. The church, at the national level, is extremely anti-gun, but it's much less so at the district level and in individual congregations. I try to speak up in behalf of RKBA whenever this comes up, and have written letters responding to gun-banning articles in our state Methodist newspaper. Just part of the ongoing struggle.

One note regarding the Methodists helping Angola: The church has a long and extensive missionary tradition in Africa and has clearly had to make some accommodations with national governments to be able to conduct any work there. That doesn't bother me, since I believe that missionary outreach in these countries eventually helps encourage anti-socialism.
 
Thanks, guys, for the information and suggestions. It was an eye-opener, to say the least.
It would be extremely difficult for me to belong to an organization that has this philosophy.
Rather than condone it by joining, I'll seek my place of worship elsewhere. Or, maybe, to spend Sunday mornings at the range......
 
Just my little rant:

Many of the major events of my life have taken place in the Methodist Church. As a lifelong member of the UMC, I'd like to still feel at home there. But I do not, because IMO there's an important difference between a church's fulfilling its obligation to provide moral guidance to its membership, and a church's attempt to subvert the civil liberty of an entire country by trying to enforce its views on the general citizenry. If the UMC had, say, urged its members to weigh carefully the spiritual implications of using a weapon to take one life in defense of another, I would not have objected--in fact, most people who keep firearms for personal defense do this anyway. But, to me, the UMC crossed the line by promoting Federal gun confiscation paid for with tax credits, not to mention its phoney-baloney assertions about the social danger of handguns. So, as far as I'm concerned, the UMC has undermined its own moral and spiritual authority, cheapened itself, and betrayed a gross lack of wisdom by turning itself into a tool of left-wing politics.

I think that the Methodist Church has done what the Democratic Party has also done: moved so far to the Left that many of us who were brought up in Methodist and Democrat homes are wondering just where the principles and traditions of our families' institutions have disappeared to. In effect, we were more loyal to these institutions than they were to us. The whole thing makes me sick.

Finally, one of the few instructive things about the UMC's position on "gun control" is the media response to it or lack thereof. We're bombarded by media reaction to the so-called Religious Right. But the media either ignore or approve the Religious Left. IOW, mixing religion and politics is an apt subject for hysteria and fearmongering when the Right does it. But, hey, it's okay when the Left does it. Typical media bias and double standard.

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Isn't George W. Bush a Methodist? How does he feel about their views?

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My wife's family WAS Methodist. Last year they invited us to a Christmas celebration. I parked my new Dodge Dakota in the first row right in front of the door, got out, and waited on her parents to show up. EVERYONE who walked by me gave me strange "dirty" looks. I wondered if I wasn't dressed fancy enough, or if they just didn't like me because I was "new". When her parents showed up, I went in and sat down. The preacher started about "peace in the new world" which was fine with me, until...... He started about all of the evil guns on the streets that were making man kill each other. ( By this time I'm red in the face, and feel like standing up and asking him where he got all of his gun facts. I ended up leaving early and NEVER went back. I soon realized why everyone hated me in the parking lot. The back window of my truck is plastered with pro-gun decals including the NRA decal and one that says CLINTON CHILD SAFTEY LOCK and has a picture of Billary with a pad lock on his pants. How was I to know???? Her parents soon changed churches when they found out that the Methodist's were accepting gays. I now get to watch The Americn Shooter on sunday and then I go to the FIRST UNITED CHURCH OF THE NFL. God knows I'm here, and he knows why I'm not there!
CJB
( they should see my new Ted Nugent decal that says " SARA BRADY kiss my A$$!@#!!!)
 
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