MD fall out: no more Glocks!

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dZ

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I was talking to a gunshop owner yesterday

He said that due to the new Maryland regulations (casing fingerprint, loaded chamber indicator, safety tests)
Glock. EAA & Browning will no longer sell handguns in Maryland!

dZ
 
i can only hope that the removal of the Browning buckmark 22lr from the MD market will awaken some of the sleeping Maryland gun owners.
 
I'm sorry folks, but I wish all gun manufacturers would ban all gun sales in Gestapo states like Kalifornia, Maryland, Massachusetts, at the like. THEN, gun owners would be fuming mad and DEMAND action, instead of hitting the email delete button each time information on a rally or pro-gun activity is sent to them. If we do nothing, all guns are going to be banned anyway. Gun companies ought to give the sleeping gunowners of this country a wake-up call now, before it's too late. If I were a gun manufacturer, I'd refuse to sell my products in any state like the above mentioned, or in cities that are suing me.

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Amen Shin-Tao and DZ. I just wish Browning had made a .40cal. Practical for me before they quit making the Hi-Power! I think we are the minority of gunowners who see the writing on the wall. It's not going to change until the rest of the supposid 80 million start feeling the effects. I hate the idea of it ever happening but I think if the legidiots were to pass a required tax,registration fee, they might just wake up or if they were to take Sly Stallones suggestion and go door to door confiscating guns. But it's not going to happen that way, a piece at a time, a lock here, a requirement there, an illegal mag there and the next thing you know, just the die-hards will have a gun (and of course the criminals) course if you use one of the stashed guns to protect yourself from the criminals you go to jail. I will not speak false bravado, or say anything that might be used against me later, but I can say one thing for sure, I know what I will do. Course at my age, I tend to have fits of selective memory! I really did forget what I did with that dang Sherman tank! Honest!
 
I don't understand the point of constantly making an issue in these forums of what most of us cannot possibly know: how active, or inactive, others who visit TFL are regarding political action and second amendment issues. I seriously doubt that such criticism will encourage action when none exists. And the conclusion that these anti-freedom regulations are the result of inaction by the gun owners who vist TFL is, quite frankly, an insult to those who are doing what they feel is appropriate but who also don't feel compelled to trumpet those actions on internet forums.

There are slightly fewer than 6,800 TFL members, undoubtably several times that many visitors, but in any case a small percentage of those who vote or otherwise particpate in political activism. Even if every person who visits TFL agrees to do this or that on this day and in that way, it may or may not effect the final outcome of a federal, state, or city decision to limit second amendment freedoms. In other words, there may be more of 'them' than there are of 'us'; or maybe some of 'them' have influence in places most of us will never be able to have.

So if you want to accuse TFL members in general of sloth and negligence, it is your right to do so; but if you think such accusations are motivation you are likely to be greatly mistaken.

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"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be." Thomas Jefferson
 
I don't like hearing that another gun company is caving in to the antis. You say the gun owners should "do something" and keeping guns out of these states will achomplish something. I'll tell you what it will accomplish - it will create even more people for whom living without a firearm at home is a normal thing. THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!
 
If we all did our part, there would be no crisis.

Those who are doing their part shouldn't care about our gripes.

If you aren't doing your part, I don't care what you think.

Feelings hurt? TOO BAD.

Am I anoying you? Then participate and then ignore me with satisfaction.




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The other thing to realize is the current MD law is a compromise

They originally wanted to have electronic smart guns only in MD after 2003

They compromised & we got the currenty law.

Compromise is a 4 letter word

Any Marylanders going to the March for Liberty October 7th at the Lincoln Memorial on the DC mall?

dZ
 
Frankly I think you guys should desert those states and gain an iron grip on the states that still hold logic and reason as high ideals. Once you have a few states firmly RKBA and crime plummets, and things are running smooth, then let the feds try and come take your guns.

Our big problem is that all us TFLers are spread out, we can be picked off one by one, politically, or even by force of arms. 4.5 million NRA members aren't gonna do squat until they actually have a physical presence in areas.

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I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me
 
No, your problem is that most of us are not followers and we are not leaders. For the most part we are individualist and just want everyone to let us alone. That does not make for a good political movement!
 
"For the most part we are individualist and just want everyone to let us alone. That does not make for a good political movement!" Gary H

This is somewhat the point of my previous post. TFL members and visitors together do not necessarily make an effective political movement. "If we all did our part, there would be no crisis." Maybe there is a semantics issue here (who is ‘we’); but then again maybe ‘we’ is irrelevant, because the statement as quoted cannot be proven. Shin-Tao, I assumed you did care what those who ‘aren’t doing your part’ thought, otherwise your posts are directed at whom? My feelings are not hurt (I’ve too many life experiences to worry about such things), and I can’t really say that I’m annoyed. I just think that ‘preaching to the choir’, or rather ‘berating the choir’ only adds to the noise of the debate and accomplishes little.


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"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be." Thomas Jefferson
 
Preaching to the choir/berating the choir.
If you're in the choir, you aren't being addressed. The choir is not the focus of my gripe. Many here are not IN the choir.

I can gripe about drunk drivers and not be talking about everyone who drives a car.

"Doing nothing for the cause?"

Again, if you are doing nothing, in my book you are a part of the problem. If you are doing something, I'm not talking about you or to you.


Simple.

www.gunowners.org
www.nraila.org




[This message has been edited by Shin-Tao (edited September 24, 2000).]
 
Respectfully, Shin-Tao, like many, I consider myself a choir member, perhaps outline the basic minimum requirements for being part of the solution and not the problem in your book.
 
Simple.

Do nothing=part of problem

Do ANYTHING=part of solution

Why this is controversial I can't imagine.

I'll restate then. If you do nothing, I think you suck.
If you do something I think your are a good citizen.

Who cares what I think anyway? Just go write some letters and send some e-mails. Donate to some RKBA groups. Make some calls.
Don't go quietly into the night.
 
"Many here are not IN the choir."

The controversy is your statement.
How shall we be admitted under your criteria? Thanks.
 
My criteria?

Hey, I'm just words on your screen.

Don't bother contemplating what I think.

I think I already clarifed to a redundant degree anyway.

Again, if you are doing nothing, in my book you are a part of the problem. If you are doing something, I'm not talking about you or to you.







[This message has been edited by Shin-Tao (edited September 24, 2000).]
 
If you join the NRA or GOA - fine. One good thing would be to sponsor (aka pay) for another person and sign them up.

It's a start.

during the political season, VOLUNTEER !!! 20hrs is a great help to an organization.

Got email?? Get an email list going where you send them updates or info. If you get info off of TFL, then pass along to those that don't look.

Just some of the things I'm doing...
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by G-Freeman:
"Many here are not IN the choir."

The controversy is your statement.
How shall we be admitted under your criteria? Thanks.[/quote]
 
Shin-Tao, don't let them get you down. I agree with you. Let's see, this weekend I cancelled my AOL subscription, called Wal-Mart to encourage them to leave guns and ammo on their shelves, filled out my TAG ballot for the NRA, bought a new Kimber .45, and bought a 2 year membership in the NRA for my father-in-law's birthday present.

People, don't gripe. Get Involved. Now, before it's too late.
 
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