McCain, Whats so Bad About Him?
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CobrayCommando
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The only thing I don't like about his issues on gun control: he favors banning saturday night specials and "certain assault weapons" whatever that means.
Hes about the friendliest they get these days buddy!
Someone suggest a realistic alternative, starrttinnngggg.... NOW!
http://www.saf.org/pub/rkba/gt-report/Report78.htm
Hillary Clinton has a better record on gun control.
CobrayCommando
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Vote for Hillary Clinton then.
When you have to choose between a douchebag and a crazy bitch douchebag who wants gunowners raped without lube (Hillary) who do you choose???
seeker_two
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McCain is the worst traitor to this nation since Benedict Arnold, the Rosenbergs, and Aldridch Ames....
...and the worst blow North Vietnam ever dealt to the United States.
...and the worst blow North Vietnam ever dealt to the United States.
That's a lousy scenario but I would have to opt for Giuliani. I may disagree with him on many issues but he is the only one I trust to stick to his guns in adversity and stand up to foreign powers. Any guy who tells Arafat to basically kiss off while mayor of NYC and forced to deal with him there for the UN can't be entirely bad.
At least I know where Giuliani will be on an issue, the other two it is up to the latest poll and what will help their numbers.
CobrayCommando
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I vote for letting Bush run for a third term...
Scott Conklin
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The sad thing is that out of the names tossed out here so far Shrubby actually IS, still, the best choice... Depressing.
Unless something happens to put a currently unknown runner into a strong position we, gun owners specifically and this nation as a whole, are in serious trouble after '08. I have my own ideas on exactly where we're headed between '08 and '12, but y'all would label me a conspiracy nut so I'll just let it be.
Unless something happens to put a currently unknown runner into a strong position we, gun owners specifically and this nation as a whole, are in serious trouble after '08. I have my own ideas on exactly where we're headed between '08 and '12, but y'all would label me a conspiracy nut so I'll just let it be.
CobrayCommando
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But 2A took the words right out of my mouth.
Scott Conklin
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Well here's a fact: The next POTUS WILL be a Dem or Repub. Just like last time. And the time before that, etc... Repubs are less likely to be gun grabbers than Dems. So, choose your poison. As far as any meaningful Third Party option? Forget it. I tried to get something going, just get people involved and motivated, and could not do it even with a varied staff and an agenda completely open to creation as we went along.
People just don't care. Those willing to make such an effort and change are miniscule. So we will continue to vote in Dems and Repubs and, for now, Repubs do less damage. Yes, even now. You think Bush has been bad? We'd be right here in the same place with Kerry, only with higher taxes and an AWB II and a more Draconian PA and a more kiss-ass Illegals bill and a more kiss-ass attitude toward the Middle East as a whole.
They all suck, but some suck worse than others.
People just don't care. Those willing to make such an effort and change are miniscule. So we will continue to vote in Dems and Repubs and, for now, Repubs do less damage. Yes, even now. You think Bush has been bad? We'd be right here in the same place with Kerry, only with higher taxes and an AWB II and a more Draconian PA and a more kiss-ass Illegals bill and a more kiss-ass attitude toward the Middle East as a whole.
They all suck, but some suck worse than others.
Once-foe McCain makes a friend of Bush dynasty
By Jill Lawrence, USA TODAY
COLLEGE STATION, Texas — Six years ago, an angry George W. Bush told John McCain to quit accusing him of being untrustworthy. An even angrier McCain told Bush he should be ashamed of the presidential campaign he was running.
It was four days before the South Carolina Republican primary, and the Texas governor and the Arizona senator were bitterly at odds.
A McCain ad saying Bush "twists the truth like Bill Clinton" was a low blow, Bush said. McCain countered that Bush was distorting his record and went "over the line" when he appeared with a military veteran who said McCain had abandoned fellow veterans after his release from a Hanoi prison. "That really hurts," McCain told Bush.
Cut to a week ago at the George Bush Presidential Library and Museum here in this Texas college town. McCain and former president George H.W. Bush sat in the elder Bush's office, talking of long-ago wars and baseball stars. Later, McCain gave a lecture sponsored by the library, and George and Barbara Bush hosted him at a dinner salted with top Texas Republicans.
As McCain prepares for a second presidential run, it is no surprise to find the onetime upstart in the heart of the Bush dynasty. McCain and prominent Republicans are embracing each other in ways unimaginable during his brutal 2000 contest with George W. Bush.
McCain has grown closer to the current president and his family. He has voted to extend some Bush tax cuts he once opposed. He has reconciled with the Rev. Jerry Falwell, whom he once called an "agent of intolerance."
And he's provoked a chorus of denunciations and lamentations from liberals who once were smitten with him. Where, they ask, is the principled maverick of 2000?
That man was on display at the lecture hall shortly after the chat in Bush's office. He was passionately promoting a plan opposed by most of his party: to let 12 million illegal immigrants in America pay fines and back taxes, learn English and get in line for citizenship.
"I say, let them rise," McCain said of the immigrants. "We have always been a better country for it."
It's complicated being John McCain.
In 2000, McCain adviser John Weaver said the senator and his outsider team "showed up at the prom in Bermuda shorts." McCain's candor and willingness to defy GOP orthodoxy drew glowing media coverage and votes from Democrats and independents in Republican primaries — but didn't go over so well with the GOP base. He won seven primaries to Bush's 11 before dropping out of the race March 9.
Now McCain is a leading prospect for his party's 2008 nomination. He's busily cultivating the Bush family, Bush loyalists, religious conservatives, tax-cut devotees and others who spurned or attacked him in 2000.
"It's almost like he wants to flip-flop grandly and quickly and get it out of the way," says liberal Joshua Micah Marshall, founder of talkingpointsmemo.com. He predicts "a bad breakup between McCain and his middle-of-the-road admirers."
McCain says he's not changing, just trying to build bridges instead of burning them. "Fundamentally, I'm the same person I've been for the last 30 years," he told USA TODAY in an interview last week aboard his charter plane from Houston to College Station.
As for his vote on the tax cuts, he says, it's consistent with his record: "If we repeal them, it has the effect of a tax increase. I have never voted to increase taxes." So will he vote to extend the rest of them? Yes.
Betting on a winner
McCain has one of the highest favorable ratings of any 2008 prospect in either party — 61% in a Time poll last month, second only to former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani (64%). Several polls show McCain beating New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, the leading Democrat, in a head-to-head contest.
"Right now I'd have to say he's the front-runner" for the GOP nomination, says Emmett Tyrell, editor of the conservative American Spectator magazine.
McCain's advantages over other prospects include his wrenching past as a Navy pilot who spent 1967-73 in a Vietnam prison, and a reformer image in a time of Washington scandals. He makes no secret of his priorities. At a recent GOP gathering in Memphis, others highlighted issues such as abortion and gay marriage. McCain talked soberly of Iraq, Iran and terrorism.
"It's apparent to a lot of conservatives that ... post-9/11, the country has to be led by a leader who understands the military. John is certainly at the top of the list there," Tyrell says. It doesn't hurt, he adds, that McCain recently has "come around on taxes."
McCain's age and health are potential liabilities. He has had three bouts of melanoma, a dangerous skin cancer, and if elected, he'd be the oldest first-term president — 72. He says his health is good and his mother still globetrots at 94. His standard line: "I'm older than dirt, and I've got more scars than Frankenstein, but I've learned a few things along the way."
Republicans appear more focused for now on McCain's strong poll numbers than his age or health. "He is our best prospect to be nominated and be president," says Sen. Trent Lott, R-Miss.
McCain says he won't decide whether to run until after the November elections. He also says his wife, Cindy, is not yet "convinced that this is a good idea."
However, he's already thought about how he'd do it — just like 2000, lots of town meetings and wall-to-wall media availability on his Straight Talk Express bus. They were the most fun part of the race, he says, and "life has got to be fun."
McCain is trying to have some, although he is perceived as a front-runner, and "people always shoot at the front-runner." He's had bit parts in the movie Wedding Crashers and the Fox TV show 24. He holds his own with late-night comics and jokes darkly that Don Imus, who loves him, "has a perfect record of backing nothing but losers."
His cellphone has an up-to-the-minute funk-rap ring tone inflicted on him by one of his sons. His jokes are a lot older. When he follows other speakers at an event he cracks that he feels like Zsa Zsa Gabor's fifth husband — "I know what to do, I just don't know how to make it interesting" — and concludes by asking for "questions, comments and insults."
But McCain is dead serious about making sure that if and when he runs for the GOP nomination, this time he'll win. He's lining up some of the people responsible for Bush's success — among them Terry Nelson, who ran Bush's massive turnout organization in 2004; longtime Bush family fundraiser Tom Loeffler of Texas; and at least a dozen South Carolina activists and officials who were in the Bush camp and want to "get involved with McCain early," says McCain adviser Richard Quinn.
McCain's travel schedule already is frenetic. In the past two weeks he has been to New York, Pennsylvania and Texas. He's now in the midst of a seven -day trip to New Hampshire, Florida, Arkansas, Ohio, Minnesota and Iowa.
The immediate goal is to campaign and raise money for 2006 candidates. McCain is also making friends and collecting chits in states with key roles in fundraising, primaries and the general election.
Solidarity with Bush
While other Republicans fret about how far to run from a president with approval ratings in the 30s, McCain has never held Bush in a closer public embrace.
"The president deserved better" than the bipartisan protests that killed an Arab company's takeover of some U.S. port operations, he said in Memphis. He praised Bush's handling of the nuclear threat from Iran. He even urged delegates to pick Bush in a straw poll of 2008 prospects, though Bush can't run.
Above all, McCain is a forceful defender of the Iraq invasion. "That is the president's signature issue, and on that issue, there is no stronger supporter than John McCain," says Mark McKinnon, Bush's media strategist.
The solidarity has helped McCain "make a lot of progress in our world," McKinnon says. He'll likely support McCain if Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice sit out 2008 as planned.
McCain says it's his "normal instinct" to help Bush when he's down. "I've always been the guy who fights for the underdog," he says and smiles. "I would feel much more comfortable disagreeing with him if he was at 60, not 38" in polls.
But disagree with him he does. He is bucking Bush by pushing to reduce global warming. He pressured Bush into signing a ban on prisoner torture and now is pressing him on immigration. He has long said the United States did not have enough troops in Iraq. He's also said he has no confidence in Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.
He took on Bush and the GOP establishment over campaign spending limits and won. He now says Bush should be tougher with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
McCain's independence is at the core of his cross-party appeal. His decision to
By Jill Lawrence, USA TODAY
COLLEGE STATION, Texas — Six years ago, an angry George W. Bush told John McCain to quit accusing him of being untrustworthy. An even angrier McCain told Bush he should be ashamed of the presidential campaign he was running.
It was four days before the South Carolina Republican primary, and the Texas governor and the Arizona senator were bitterly at odds.
A McCain ad saying Bush "twists the truth like Bill Clinton" was a low blow, Bush said. McCain countered that Bush was distorting his record and went "over the line" when he appeared with a military veteran who said McCain had abandoned fellow veterans after his release from a Hanoi prison. "That really hurts," McCain told Bush.
Cut to a week ago at the George Bush Presidential Library and Museum here in this Texas college town. McCain and former president George H.W. Bush sat in the elder Bush's office, talking of long-ago wars and baseball stars. Later, McCain gave a lecture sponsored by the library, and George and Barbara Bush hosted him at a dinner salted with top Texas Republicans.
As McCain prepares for a second presidential run, it is no surprise to find the onetime upstart in the heart of the Bush dynasty. McCain and prominent Republicans are embracing each other in ways unimaginable during his brutal 2000 contest with George W. Bush.
McCain has grown closer to the current president and his family. He has voted to extend some Bush tax cuts he once opposed. He has reconciled with the Rev. Jerry Falwell, whom he once called an "agent of intolerance."
And he's provoked a chorus of denunciations and lamentations from liberals who once were smitten with him. Where, they ask, is the principled maverick of 2000?
That man was on display at the lecture hall shortly after the chat in Bush's office. He was passionately promoting a plan opposed by most of his party: to let 12 million illegal immigrants in America pay fines and back taxes, learn English and get in line for citizenship.
"I say, let them rise," McCain said of the immigrants. "We have always been a better country for it."
It's complicated being John McCain.
In 2000, McCain adviser John Weaver said the senator and his outsider team "showed up at the prom in Bermuda shorts." McCain's candor and willingness to defy GOP orthodoxy drew glowing media coverage and votes from Democrats and independents in Republican primaries — but didn't go over so well with the GOP base. He won seven primaries to Bush's 11 before dropping out of the race March 9.
Now McCain is a leading prospect for his party's 2008 nomination. He's busily cultivating the Bush family, Bush loyalists, religious conservatives, tax-cut devotees and others who spurned or attacked him in 2000.
"It's almost like he wants to flip-flop grandly and quickly and get it out of the way," says liberal Joshua Micah Marshall, founder of talkingpointsmemo.com. He predicts "a bad breakup between McCain and his middle-of-the-road admirers."
McCain says he's not changing, just trying to build bridges instead of burning them. "Fundamentally, I'm the same person I've been for the last 30 years," he told USA TODAY in an interview last week aboard his charter plane from Houston to College Station.
As for his vote on the tax cuts, he says, it's consistent with his record: "If we repeal them, it has the effect of a tax increase. I have never voted to increase taxes." So will he vote to extend the rest of them? Yes.
Betting on a winner
McCain has one of the highest favorable ratings of any 2008 prospect in either party — 61% in a Time poll last month, second only to former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani (64%). Several polls show McCain beating New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, the leading Democrat, in a head-to-head contest.
"Right now I'd have to say he's the front-runner" for the GOP nomination, says Emmett Tyrell, editor of the conservative American Spectator magazine.
McCain's advantages over other prospects include his wrenching past as a Navy pilot who spent 1967-73 in a Vietnam prison, and a reformer image in a time of Washington scandals. He makes no secret of his priorities. At a recent GOP gathering in Memphis, others highlighted issues such as abortion and gay marriage. McCain talked soberly of Iraq, Iran and terrorism.
"It's apparent to a lot of conservatives that ... post-9/11, the country has to be led by a leader who understands the military. John is certainly at the top of the list there," Tyrell says. It doesn't hurt, he adds, that McCain recently has "come around on taxes."
McCain's age and health are potential liabilities. He has had three bouts of melanoma, a dangerous skin cancer, and if elected, he'd be the oldest first-term president — 72. He says his health is good and his mother still globetrots at 94. His standard line: "I'm older than dirt, and I've got more scars than Frankenstein, but I've learned a few things along the way."
Republicans appear more focused for now on McCain's strong poll numbers than his age or health. "He is our best prospect to be nominated and be president," says Sen. Trent Lott, R-Miss.
McCain says he won't decide whether to run until after the November elections. He also says his wife, Cindy, is not yet "convinced that this is a good idea."
However, he's already thought about how he'd do it — just like 2000, lots of town meetings and wall-to-wall media availability on his Straight Talk Express bus. They were the most fun part of the race, he says, and "life has got to be fun."
McCain is trying to have some, although he is perceived as a front-runner, and "people always shoot at the front-runner." He's had bit parts in the movie Wedding Crashers and the Fox TV show 24. He holds his own with late-night comics and jokes darkly that Don Imus, who loves him, "has a perfect record of backing nothing but losers."
His cellphone has an up-to-the-minute funk-rap ring tone inflicted on him by one of his sons. His jokes are a lot older. When he follows other speakers at an event he cracks that he feels like Zsa Zsa Gabor's fifth husband — "I know what to do, I just don't know how to make it interesting" — and concludes by asking for "questions, comments and insults."
But McCain is dead serious about making sure that if and when he runs for the GOP nomination, this time he'll win. He's lining up some of the people responsible for Bush's success — among them Terry Nelson, who ran Bush's massive turnout organization in 2004; longtime Bush family fundraiser Tom Loeffler of Texas; and at least a dozen South Carolina activists and officials who were in the Bush camp and want to "get involved with McCain early," says McCain adviser Richard Quinn.
McCain's travel schedule already is frenetic. In the past two weeks he has been to New York, Pennsylvania and Texas. He's now in the midst of a seven -day trip to New Hampshire, Florida, Arkansas, Ohio, Minnesota and Iowa.
The immediate goal is to campaign and raise money for 2006 candidates. McCain is also making friends and collecting chits in states with key roles in fundraising, primaries and the general election.
Solidarity with Bush
While other Republicans fret about how far to run from a president with approval ratings in the 30s, McCain has never held Bush in a closer public embrace.
"The president deserved better" than the bipartisan protests that killed an Arab company's takeover of some U.S. port operations, he said in Memphis. He praised Bush's handling of the nuclear threat from Iran. He even urged delegates to pick Bush in a straw poll of 2008 prospects, though Bush can't run.
Above all, McCain is a forceful defender of the Iraq invasion. "That is the president's signature issue, and on that issue, there is no stronger supporter than John McCain," says Mark McKinnon, Bush's media strategist.
The solidarity has helped McCain "make a lot of progress in our world," McKinnon says. He'll likely support McCain if Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice sit out 2008 as planned.
McCain says it's his "normal instinct" to help Bush when he's down. "I've always been the guy who fights for the underdog," he says and smiles. "I would feel much more comfortable disagreeing with him if he was at 60, not 38" in polls.
But disagree with him he does. He is bucking Bush by pushing to reduce global warming. He pressured Bush into signing a ban on prisoner torture and now is pressing him on immigration. He has long said the United States did not have enough troops in Iraq. He's also said he has no confidence in Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.
He took on Bush and the GOP establishment over campaign spending limits and won. He now says Bush should be tougher with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
McCain's independence is at the core of his cross-party appeal. His decision to