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Pepto...

I see in the most recent post you're sixteen and living at home. Nothing wrong with that, but it also helps those of us who are older understand your thinking and opinions.

Your bedroom door isn't secure and, as you say, it's very close to the front door. To me, that would justify maintaining the shotgun loaded with an empty chamber for preparedness.

You reference an eye condition that means you can't see (or have trouble seeing) for several minutes after waking up. I'm not sure if this is simply goopy "sleep" in your eyes or some other, more serious condition. However, in either case, you need to be aware that it is your responsibility to identify your target before engaging with a firearm. That means, legally, you have to be able to determine the person was a serious threat to you -- as opposed to being, say, a firefighter or a guest in the house.

Given the combination of eye problems and physical security, your best bet would be to hold up in your bedroom until you can see well enough to comprehend what's going on.

In the relevant situation you outlined, ask yourself what would have happened if there had been one or two people coming through the door? And you with an unloaded shotgun (or an "unready" shotgun).

Even if your eyes are clear, with your bedroom door so close to the point of entry, exiting the room is not tactically sound. It puts you into immediate "lunge & grab" range of potential intruders before you can assess the situation.

Somewhat more prudent might have been to move to the bedroom door and carefully look over the area before leaving the room. This way, if you see a person you might identify them (friend/foe/known/unknown) first. That moment, seeing nothing, might give you pause and when you heard "Kitty Kitty!" you'd know your mom was the source of the noise.

The good is that you are willing to protect yourself and family and you have the tool(s) to do so. The bad is you are rushing to engage without thinking of tactics and your own safety. Don't be in a hurry to engage as you may not be able to disengage if things turn sour on you.

From your mother's perspective, she probably thinks you were over-reacting to the noise. After all, from her viewpoint, all she did was get up, walk to the door, and step outside to call the cat. Then there you are with your shotgun.

If her opinion is that it might be "merely" someone asking to use the phone, someone looking for directions or some other "plausible" reason for being there then she needs to be educated on how criminals gain access to homes of trusting souls like her.

If she puts forth the "circumstances" argument, ask her what circumstances would justify someone entering the home and, say, shooting you in each knee to get money or valuables. Remind her there is no point on relying on a criminal's mercy - for he may not have any mercy on his victims.

You need to discuss with your mother what she expects to do or happen if an unsavory intruder does enter the house. She may be of the belief that an angry woman telling him to get out whilst waving an 8-inch cast iron skillet is sufficient (it is, if it works!). If she doesn't believe in taking another person's life, that's fine. However, if that intruder comes after you, you still retain the right to defend yourself as necessary.
 
Yeah. My carpentry skills are limited. Im not allowed to use power tools but at the same time they have no problem with letting me collect firearms. My door frame, even before falling apart, had a mess of bent jagged nails holding it together. I will discuss this with my mom, And I like the way you put things. I will try to use that as an advantage in my explanation for my actions. Im supposed to get up at 6:00 and go to the river, so I will soon be able to talk to her. Im even thinking about buying everyone a nagant or shotgun for their saftey, and then coming up with a better plan.
 
"...I'm 16..." That's a bit different, but not by much. In any case, grasshopper, chill. You scared your mom. That's all. You didn't do anything the rest of us wouldn't do, except not loading the shotgun. Relax. Da not home at the time?
"...cornered cat..." Females with firearms website. Doesn't apply to you.
Anyway, All cats, even lions and tigers, have two reactions to everything. Fight or run. You opted to fight. Even though it was a bit much without any training, you opted to stand. Not bad for a 16 year old. You have to learn some tactics and to deal with the talents and hinderances you have.
"...cant see for a good 3 minutes..." Wait, put your specs on, assuming you wear 'em and listen. You need to be able to see to do anything.
"...the reason my mom was mad was because..." Nope. Mom was mad because you scared her. You came out of nowhere when she was trying to deal with the cat. Has nothing to do with the gun. Trust me.
"...my door..." Fix it. You're not a stupid guy. Figure it out and fix the friggin' door. Fxing a door isn't rocket science.
 
Im loving the responses. I thought everyone was going to be as bad as the guy who said I should be slapped. I was wrong. I feel 100% comftorable with the situation, And Im going to get some eye drops, and fix my door. Actually Im going to put up a metal dead bolt door. That would turn my room into a safe room. Hehe. Well except the window anyways. I also think I will install security lights with motion detectors outside. But I will put very very bright bulbs in them so they are blinding. This has inspired me to change my idea of "safe and sound". The only thing that bothers me now, is talking my parents into letting me put some ammo in my mags. They consider it unsafe for bullets to be within 3 ft of a gun. They have some strange ideas, but As long as they are my parents Im going to respect that and so as im told.
 
I Think I should bring this up cause its kind of funny. About a month ago, the sheltered children next door come running over, At night, Cryting, and screaming. Let me back up and describe a little more. Its about 9:00 at night. Its humid outside and warm, Im in my boxers, Im polishing my sks up, And then it happens. Now I will proceed. I come running out to blood curdling screams you would expect to hear if someone was dying. Outside my room, Nathan, William, And Savanna all ages 5, 10, and 7, are crying and trying to talk. The Oldest, William, Manages to say that someone has broken in. I tell them wait in my room, lock the door, and call the police. I grab my rifle and go to investigate. Nobody is home at my house or theirs. The door is wide open, and the lights on. Nobody in sight. I get back after about 2 minutes of investigating, embarassed, because im just realizing im in my boxers. They are still crying, and explain upon questioning, and the fine placement of a my pants, they left the door open after, hearing a tap on the window, going to investigate, seeing somebody, and running. William had his pellet gun, and my brother, 11, had put on a ski mask and scared them again while I was gone to shut their door. I also allowed them to play PS3 while I calmed them and called their parents. They had apparently never called the cops. I let the little fumble around with my sks under heavy supervision, and the bolt open, And put it away. Their parents got home, and instead of even a "gee, thanks for taking care of my kids" I get threats and accusations, that I was the one at the window scaing them. Which seems odd, cause I was just trying to polish my gun and relax. Ehh. People can be crazy sometimes.
 
Respectfully if you were my son you would still have gotten a back hand. I don't think it is wise or my place to give you opinions on self defense with a firearm due to your age. I don't know your maturity, which may be just fine, or your family situation. I certainly do not know your parents ground rules on firearms.

In my house I have ground rules and you would have violated them. Thus I gave you my opinion based on the fact that I did assume correctly that you were under age. It was maybe a harsh answer but it was meant with respect and safety in mind.

I would strongly suggest you discuss with your parents the ground rules for firearms in your house. Be safe and I hope that you can ask for the wisdom of your mom and dad for future guidance with guns and particularly the use of them in self defense.
 
I serioulsy dont understand peoples idea that I should be backhanded. Maybe my parents can backhand me, but personally I find it [sic] annoying that everyone keeps saying that. So I will tell you what. If you feel up to it. I will pm my number, And we can arrange for you to try and backhand me. Cause maybe I wont win, but I will confident that I would wup the **** out of whoever tries to backhand me. Only my parents get the privilege of doing that, And when im a 40 year old man, they still will, but I wont take that **** from a complete stranger. My dad will probally be happy to know I did this. But Ive had enough of it even hypothetically. ENOUGH. Im Dead serious, And It would be best for you, to just take my word for it. The nerve of Some people ..... This isnt a personal attack against anyone of you, but Im tired of hearing it, because one day, you might wish you had a son like me who is willing to put their life in danger to protect their family. I would gladly take a bullet for any member of my family.
 
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Maybe you are a little tired tonight, I think the key words were if you were my son. Take care and enjoy your day at the river.
 
You need to chill out. You are getting exactly what you asked for... honest responses. You put your little story on the internet for all the people to chime in, so don't throw a tantrum when you don't like the answers. If you were confident in your decision you wouldn't be asking "was I wrong".

Besides that, you need to realize that this is the INTERNET. I know you're only 16 but you gotta be a little thick skinned if youre gonna put yourself out there. Honestly, I wouldn't worry about backhanding you. Instead I would "borrow" your guns until you turn 18 or become mature enough to keep 'em bedside.
 
Good advice, three or four exceptions

T. O'Heir said:
"...cornered cat..." Females with firearms website. Doesn't apply to you.

I disagree heartily. The cornered cat website has a lot that is intended for women, but tactics, gun handling, safety, legal issues, all are equally applicable to men and women. And Pax is a very competent writer.

Don't just take T. O'Heir's word, or my word for it. Read it and judge for yourself.

Peptobismol9 said:
I serioulsy dont understand peoples idea that I should be backhanded. Maybe my parents can backhand me, but personally I find it fecking annoying that everyone keeps saying that. So I will tell you what. If you feel up to it. I will pm my number, And we can arrange for you to try and backhand me. Cause maybe I wont win, but I will confident that I would wup the **** out of whoever tries to backhand me. Only my parents get the privilege of doing that, And when im a 40 year old man, they still will, but I wont take that **** from a complete stranger. My dad will probally be happy to know I did this. But Ive had enough of it even hypothetically. ENOUGH. Im Dead serious, And It would be best for you, to just take my word for it. The nerve of Some people ..... This isnt a personal attack against anyone of you, but Im tired of hearing it, because one day, you might wish you had a son like me who is willing to put their life in danger to protect their family. I would gladly take a bullet for any member of my family.
Begging your pardon, but your rhetoric seems pretty much over the top. When I read the "backhand" comment, I thought it was over the top, too. But hyperbole begets hyperbole and when things escalate beyond reason, communication usually suffers. The first one to de-escalate is the mature one. And maturity is the first requirement of handling life-and-death situations. That you asked advice demonstrates some degree of that character trait. That you are still here demonstrates more. That your parents have given their permission for you to keep firearms in the house is evidence that they trust your maturity. Enough said on that.

In any event, the "backhand" comments, though overboard, did not seem to me to be a threat or even an insult, just a rebuke and a little posturing. Nothing to get in a huff about. By the way, your comments about accepting a challenge seemed equally and unnecessarily argumentative. Two wrongs don't make right.

Peptobismol9 said:
I Think I should bring this up cause its kind of funny. About a month ago, the sheltered children next door come running over, At night, Cryting, and screaming. Let me back up and describe a little more. Its about 9:00 at night. Its humid outside and warm, Im in my boxers, Im polishing my sks up, And then it happens. Now I will proceed. I come running out to blood curdling screams you would expect to hear if someone was dying. Outside my room, Nathan, William, And Savanna all ages 5, 10, and 7, are crying and trying to talk. The Oldest, William, Manages to say that someone has broken in. I tell them wait in my room, lock the door, and call the police. I grab my rifle and go to investigate.

You were there, and I wasn't, so this is just general thoughts. Going out to investigate a potential home invastion, burglary or just a stranger at the window by yourself is not something even trained police do without a partner or backup, usually. A civilian doing so when all friendlies are accounted for is usually counter-productive. All the kids were OK. You were OK. The only thing at risk is property? Calling for assistance (911 or even the regular dispatch line) is the recommended course of action.

Peptobismol9 said:
The only thing that bothers me now, is talking my parents into letting me put some ammo in my mags. They consider it unsafe for bullets to be within 3 ft of a gun.
With an 11 year old in the house (especially one who is willing to scare three little neighbor kids), I agree with the caution of not having loaded guns not secured behind locks in the house. A gun safe to store one, weapon with ammunition ready to load would be a wise investment.

In the meantime, I suggest you get some trigger locks for all your guns and use them. Your 11 year old brother is bound to be curious and you must never underestimate the ingenuity of growing boys, especially those already willing to break rules of behaviour. Many municipalities give them away for free.

Please pardon me for going on so long. It is late, but I wanted to share my thoughts, opinions and advice while it is still fresh im my mind.

Lost Sheep
 
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Thanks lost sheep. The lock idea seems great, but I already taught him to only load a gun if he intends to shoot, and only shoot if he intends to kill. And I already covered the dont kill thing. Me and my parents dont let him have firearms yet because he loves to grab a weapon in a fight. They all stay in my room, where I am most of the day, Making phone calls and helping others with their firearms.
 
Me and my parents dont let him have firearms yet because he loves to grab a weapon in a fight.
I am with Lost Sheep on this one. For this reason alone I very strongly urge you to lock all your weapons. I know he is your brother and you love him dearly, but DO NOT trust an 11 year "who loves to grab a weapon" just because you had a talk with him about firearm safety. As he said, never underestimate the ingenuity or curiosity of growing boys.

Why take chances or put your family at risk? Besides, if you need a little time for your eyes to adjust at night, this will give you time to unlock your weapon of choice and get it ready to shoot if needed.

Don't make me come down there and backhand you boy!

Scott
 
An empty gun is more dangerous than being unarmed. If a perpetrator sees you with a gun and he has one you are getting shot. If you are empty handed at least he may not shoot you. If you are going to bring the gun load it.
 
Maybe im wrong?

Well, you said it- but IMO there's no "maybe" about it. Frankly, I'm convinced you have a lot to learn before you have any business roaring around your own house or the neighbor's with a gun, loaded or not. I hope you can avoid involvement in one sort of tragedy or another until you learn what you need to learn, but so far you seem to have kept your guardian angels pretty busy.

Replace your phone. Learn to dial 9-1-1. Fix your bedroom door, or get someone who's allowed to use power tools to fix it. Put on a good lock while you're at it. This is known in the real world as "first things first."

I'm several hundred miles away and not about to take you to raise, but if you were in my house, given what you've said so far, you'd not have access to any firearms at all without responsible adult supervision at this point. And no, I do not consider your parents responsible adults, from what you've said in your posts on this thread so far.

Frankly you're not ready for the responsibility of firearms possession, as far as I can tell. I'm not saying this to make you feel bad, but because it seems to me you really are a danger to yourself and others at this point. If that's hurtful I'm sorry for the hurt but not for the message. I've seen too many tragedies involving firearms in the hands of those who did not appreciate the many dangers involved with them already. Dead/maimed/jailed lasts a long time.

In short, spend some time absorbing the messages at http://www.defense-training.com/quips/2003/19Mar03.html . I know John Farnam, I have trained with him, and he doesn't mince words. Right now you are hunting trouble. Keep it up, and you're going to find it sooner or later. When you do, you won't like it.

Don't like Kathy's (pax's) site? Then try http://www.spw-duf.info/ . Read http://www.claytoncramer.com/gundefenseblog/blogger.html . Study http://www.defense-training.com/quips/quips.html . Take a Hunter Safety course. That's just for starters.

I can't lock your guns in a safe. But if I could I would, until you learned what you needed to know to possess them safely and responsibly.

I sincerely wish you and everyone about you the best,

lpl
 
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peptobismol9,

I have read all of your responses and everyone is scarier than the one before.

I wouldn't, as a parent, let you have a gun in your room. You admit to having paranoid issues, you admit you can't see for 3 minutes when you wake up, you live at home and scared your mom and aren't smart enough to abide by their rules, and you ran out of your house in your underwear with a rifle and go into your neighbor's house AFTER they told you they called the cops (are you looking to get shot or what?). THEN UNBELIEVABLY, you let 5, 7 and 10 year old children "fumble around" with your sks with the bolt open. Are you INSANE? If I was their parent's I would have kicked your ass for that stupid stunt alone.

People can be crazy sometimes.

Yes they can be, and your actions are not the kind we need from responsible gun owners. I think the biggest issue is you are far too immature to be handling guns of any sort without adult supervision.
 
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