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It was 12:30 and the door creaked open. It was dark, I snatched a 870 magnum shotgun in 20 gauge, Cocked it, and got out of the bed quick. I was out of bed, locked cocked and ready to roll in about 2 seconds because the shotgun is right next to my bed in the corner. Well, I get out the door and my blood is pumping, and my mom is standing outside going "HERE KITTY KITTY KITTY." Trying to get the cat iin the house. The Gun wasnt loaded. My mom was ,mad. She was actually, mad that I was willing to jump out of bed with a shotgun and defend the house and my family. She said Im Evil for considering (as if I havent already made up my mind) resorting to a shotgun during a home invasion, Because I dont know the persons circumstances. My thoughts - If they dont consider my circumstances before Opening my door and waltsing in at 12:30, Why should I risk my life to consider theirs.
I would like feedback. Am I right or wrong? Should I change my view on the situation? This really bothers me for some reason.
 
locked cocked and ready to roll
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The Gun wasnt loaded
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Call me a prick all you want but your mom's anger was justified if the home is hers and you are not in agreement with her that you are allowed to defend the home.
Now for the real reason for my reply...
In quote one, you lied to us and yourself... locked and cocked maybe but ready to roll? Maybe you meant "ready to row" cuz an empty shotgun makes a better canoe paddle than club.
I was raised that you never bring a knife to a gun fight and an empty firearm is less useful than a cubscout knife. Also Family rule number one was never point a gun at anything you are not ready to kill and an empty gun won't kill so don't bring it to bear.
Do what you want but a golf putter is a far better weapon than an empty 870.
And once again, you and your family should have a serious discussion where the rules of home defense and each occupant's role in this are defined and set in stone... LIVES ARE AT RISK! If it is not your house, you really have no say in this...

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If it is YOUR home than I think you need to explain your stance on home defense but suggest shells for the gun are kept handy if not in it.
And loose cats outside are targets for me and my dogs if I spot them....

Brent
 
wrong to defend your home against unknown persons entering at all hours of the night? in my opinion, NO. if your mom knows you own a weapon and are ready to take action against intruders, then she should have no reason to get angry and should have expected it anyway.

P.S.--- next time it may not be your mom, so try and have a few shells in that street sweeper!:D;):D
 
I don't know your age but if one of my kids comes down the stairs with a loaded shot gun they would get the back of my hand. I would expect them to wake me up. That is my view point.
 
Despite that. I didnt say I loaded it. I understand The issue of having an unloaded gun, but I have had a bad encounter with my dad, Involving a loaded mosin nagant. I dont want to go through that again. You also have to consider I just woke up. This is from someone who wakes up, but has eye problems. I cant see for a good 3 minutes, but I wasnt that far asleep. I was too busy staying up to catch my tv shows around 11. when I said cocked locked and ready to roll I refered to my ability to ready myself for the situation rather than the action of the gun. If you really think you could do better, I hate to say it, But you would probally be suprised. I think It was justifiable because the front door is within arms length of my flimsy broken door. Oh and I just noticed a detail. I didnt aim The gun. So, PFFFFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTTT. Jesus H Christ, would everybody listen to this guy. Talks so tough behind a computer monitor. I came here for a idea on right or wrong not A bunch of bullcrap he probally prepared yesterday.
 
Actually, I was being trained to handle various HD situations from 6 years old when dad showed me which single shot 12 gauge was always loaded and how to get off one shot if ever we were intruded upon while "sissy" babysat us. Later on at 12 I was allowed to keep my .410 in my room but unloaded and I had an assortment of rounds chosen by my father for various uses. I had #6 for cats, #4 for coons or small dogs, Buck and slugs for all other threats. I wasn't to leave my room armed if dad was home unless I heard a physical scuffle than I was expected to as I was if he wasn't home as I was second in command for HD duty with momma being the only one allowed to stand me down. I wasn't but 14 when momma had a belligerent person on our porch intimidating her... She hollered to me awaking me with "Son come here quick and bring your dog..." I knew what she meant as I didn't have a personal dog and the family dog didn't sleep in a closed bedroom. Every family is different as is every person but I have always been pretty quick to get ready once awake albeit a deep sleeper. In "MY" house I keep my gun loaded, my 19 year old son is not allowed to leave his room armed unless requested or I am not home.
We have these rules so he is not mistaken in haste for an armed intruder. When he does leave the room he is to speak out, even if it is to sound as if he is the defender as I know his voice. If I need help I know he is gonna be right there loaded for bear.
Brent
 
Age/Location? That makes a huge difference in assessing your actions, imho. I don't see how you can be faulted that much, if you live in Detroit, a seriously shady part of Houston, El Paso, maybe even Atlanta, and definitely South Central LA.

However, if your 15 and living in Jackson hole, Aspen, or Palm Beach you need to rethink your situation, to say the least.
 
Let me go ahead and verify the situation. It was a last resort, and I knew it always. My parents room is across the house, and I have a door thats just dying to come off the hinges. No phone, I lost it in the creek, And a shotgun was readily available. I know for afact my door will not stay shut even when locked because the wooden frame is broken where the metal thingy majigger that holds it closed goes. So It was a last resort. I am a little paranoid, because I had an incident in middle school that turned my whole life into a cluster ****. I also Used to hang out with the wrong crowd. These were people that I didnt know were capable of what they are, but I live in constant lookout because of this. I have been treated for paranoia, and It was determined I am safe to own a gun. My parents do know my situation, I think the reason my mom was mad was because she was only as awake as I was. So if anyone thinks they really have aright to judge me, I honestly want to know why, and what you would have done, so maybe I can resort to that instead of a shotgun. I didnt ask for a bunch of smart mouthed crap. I apoplogize for my language, but im a little freaked out right now, and I know im not going to be able to get to sleep. So please, only serious answers.
Also I live in mobile county, Alabama, im 16. And for those that dont know, It is really shady here. It wasnt always bad but in the past 5 or 6 years crim e has raised alot. we have had stalkers in the neighborhood, and a few break ins on my block. Also, forgot to mention, my exes brands new 20 yr old boyfreind, hates me, cause my ex talked him into beleving I beat her. Which I am very against.
 
I never said you pointed your weapon... I am speaking as I see it. And what I said was prepared many years ago... likely before you were even born.
I am not one who
Talks so tough behind a computer monitor.
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I am a husband and father who decides how and when people will tote a deadly weapon around. Like I tell my son routinely... "MY HOUSE, MY RULES, MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY..."
If what I post to you in all honesty regarding your request for advice offends you... So Sad Too Bad... You came on to a premier forum dedicated to the responsible ownership, handling and use of firearms for all purposes up to and including the use for legal self defense requiring lethal force... We are a serious bunch and wait until Mrs.Pax (a mother of many) gets to read this....
May I suggest her website...
http://www.corneredcat.com/
Lots of good info...
Brent
 
Do whatever. But I didnt load that shotgun, And I didnt aim it. I had it because I didnt know the situation going on behind that door. I follwed Gun saftey even when I beleived I was in danger. I am grateful for the advice, If thats what it is, But I assure you I will put It to use. Honestly Your way of things impresses me, But I dont beleive you analyzed the situation enough before Speaking out against me. I Follow gun saftey everyday of my life and personally aspire to become a gun saftey instructor for young children. If my Dad ever saw me pick up a firearm with the breech or bolt closed, without checking it, He would backhand me. I dont expect everyone to understand the situation, but your response Isnt pleasing. I apologize for my response personally, And would like to re-evaluate the situation in a mature manner. Hopefully you being older will be able to follow that. So shall we discuss this civilized, or do you really need to carry on like a madman. Cause I can do this allllll night.
By the way I dont get the cornered cat suggestion. Please explain, and I would be glad to share with her myself If I agree with the situation.
 
"...change my view on the situation?..." Yep. 'They' had nothing to do with it. You scared your ma, her reaction and the possiblities has scared you. S'ok. It's not unusual. Mom will get over it and so should you.
Mind you, an unloaded firearm, of any kind, isn't of much use. Get out of bed first and load. Then investigate the noise. Lights on generally means something normal is going on. You'd best take some 'Use of Force' classes though. And fix the door.
In any case, relax. You're not evil. Mom is mad because you scared her. Has nothing to do with the shotgun or your willingness to defend the house. Isn't the cat either.
Used to scare my ma just by walking into the kitchen in absolute silence.
Her irrational fear of mice provided me no end of laughs. Put a $2, tiny, fur, cat toy, mouse next to her tea cup, while she was reading the newspaper, one time. Then went to the other end of the house. Less than 5 minutes later, I hear, "I hate you." from the kitchen. Laughed so hard it still hurts.
Did tell her to go away when the cat found a real mouse in a cupboard though. Silly woman had a bag of dry dog food way back in a corner. Mouse thought it was a dandy meal.
 
Since I now know your age I am reaffirming my replies totally! I also assure you my stance and decisions on how my home would be defended and by whom were made a few years before you were born. In my first reply to, before you got to posting to me as if I know not what I speak of... you will see I suggest a serious sit down with the powers that be in your home...
If ya'll have already determined that you do in fact, have open permission to exit your room after hours with a firearm for home defense reasons than I apologize for making that mistake assuming you don't but your OP seems as if it isn't openly decided that you are in that position.
You later staed it takes you a few moments to get coherent and have bad vision... Both of those are issues I would consider before granting you the authority to defend even your own room...
And again, an empty gun is worthless for HD!
Sorry if I came off wrong but it is hard for me to handle these threads any different.
Brent
 
Im glad we could work this out, And yes I do have permission from my father to shoot whoever might harm me, granted I dont aim, load, or shoot until Im absolutey positive about the situation. My mother has a very different opinion, and It is her reaction that caused me to rethink my view on this matter. I did perform the action of cocking the shotgun as soon as I grabbed it, To eject any shells In it, And allow everyone outside the door to figure out what was about to go down. My dad, Has the same opinion as me on dealing with these types of situation. I am the biggest gun lover around the block I live on and Alot of little kids look up to me, So I always show the highest amount of respect and saftey for firearms, so as to influence them well. I do teach young children in my family the saftey techniques involved in handling a firearm.
 
HAHAHA. OMG. SPEAK OF THE DEVIL. I just complained about my door being very flimsy. I got up not long ago, walked to my room, Twisted the knob and pushed, and The inner door frame ( part in my room ) Completley fell apart. I couldnt resist coming back and typing about it. Its like the door frame was in on it. Haha. It hasnt fallen apart for months since it was broken, and Finally after This, It falls apart.
 
The cornered cat website is loaded with excellent info regarding many aspects of gun handling far beyond the basics... From a mother's side of the coin but great for all to read. Pax is the owner of that website and the most active moderator of this section and no one will have to point her to this thread as she reads every single one I bet.

Brent
 
i just realized the meaning of the cornerd cat thing. Its actually really nice. It is something To consider, but Im a male. So the whole women and guns thing is a bit odd. But guns are guns, and gun saftey is gun saftey, wether you are a male or a female. So thanks for the link, I will read over it and use it.
 
Mobile Alabama is a very nice city. I spent a day there, on a drive from New Orleans to Jacksonville. Mobile is a really beautiful city on the gulf coast.

I simply can't believe that it has turned into the Los Angeles of Alabama.
 
Lol. Depends on the part of mobile. I remembe having to meet someone for Madi Gras one year, and making a wrong turn. I was young, so It was a bit scary. Toulmnaville and places like that are places you want to avoid. But you have a point, It is a good place to go on vacation. Their are alot of cruise ships going in the bay there too. So it might be something for you to check out. PS. AVOID The outskirts of Fort Condi at all cost, cause gang activity is horrible there from what I here, and its where all the shootings happen I keep hearing about in the news paper. That along with Goverment Boulevard. Last year there was a small school shooting. One person was injured, not to big of a bad deal. Most shootings happen in backyards.
 
Some random thoughts

Pax is a moderator on this forum and owns/runs a web site called "Cornered Cat" that is written from the female point of view. But her advice is not just good for women. Men can benefit, too, not only in understanding how women view firearms, tactics and deadly force, but also in understanding use of those things. Firearms, tactics and use of deadly force does not discriminate between genders.

Pax is also a parent of several children (not even counting those of us on this forum who can use a guiding hand now and again.)

Now, my thoughts about home defense. The 870 is a fine firearm for home defense. But it is definitely the last line of defense against home invasion. First line of defense is working, lockable doors and windows. Get those priorities straight.

Second, showing up in a tactical frame of mind unprepared for a fight is not a good plan. Have a tactical plan that everyone in the home agrees with. And have it before you need it. (Have one for fire, earthquake, tornado, what have you also).

The head of the household should set the ground rules for how a home invasion or lost cat or anything between is handled. If you are head of household, be head of household. If you are not, then follow the lead of the head. If your parents are in disagreement, ledt them work it out. If you are an adult (or near adult) living at home take your adult responsibilities seriously and communicate with your parents as best you can to reach a family consensus.

Good luck, and fix that door for your Mom and Dad and for everyone's peace of mind. They will be impressed. If you don't have the carpentry skills, figure out a way. But ALWAYS "Honor thy Father and thy Mother".

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