Maybe DHS didn't need all that ammo?

rickyrick said:
I believe this is just a marketing gimmick... Not unlike the zombie ammo lol..

I wouldn't buy "training" ammo for regular ammo prices



I actually liked the hornaday zombie ammo, but it was just hornaday with a green plastic tip instead of red. I used it for hunting just fine
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What are you calling "regular" ammo? FMJ, self defense quality JHP....?

WWB, which is training ammo in my book, is a few dollars more, and less potent. Any quality JHP designed for defensive use, on the other hand would be at least as much for only 20 rounds.

If I had had a 40 and needed ammo, I would buy some. It seems like an ok deal.....purple or not.
 
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Yes I'm saying that I wouldn't pay a price that was anywhere close to the price of defensive ammo or hunting ammo...

I would expect to pay substantially less for anything marketed as training ammo... I would assume that training ammo would be designed for nothing much more than puting a hole in a paper economically
 
The military and LEO's don't buy training ammo. They get a good contract price for what they get and just shoot it.

The rule is "Train like you fight." so why train with round nose when it's the hollow points that can malfunction more readily?

I don't know who or what was originally meant for this ammo but claiming it's DHS surplus is more than embellishing on the situation. And DHS didn't receive all that ammo itself, and it was an open ended multiyear contract. Lets not start that tin foil extravaganza that was totally unfounded in fact. Even if Rush Limbaugh does repeat that nonsense.

I quit listening to his moderate narcotic laced fantasies a decade ago. :D

I'm thinking the factory had a bad run of plating and this is how they hype to get rid of it. No, that's not a misspelling.
 
I believe the story, simply because this is so high-powered. Most FMJ .40 180 grain range ammo velocities are in the 900-950fps range.

I can see this ammo as meant to imitate the recoil of a full power duty load, but without the expense of modern hollow point ammo.
 
"The military and LEO's don't buy training ammo."

Yeah, some do.

They train with ammo that is loaded to the same general specifications as their duty ammo, but qualify with duty ammo. The use of an FMJ instead of a hollow point isn't uncommon.

Up until about two years ago a large Federal agency was issuing Federal 9mm as duty ammo, but procuring surplus Israeli military ammo for range use.

There are between 17,000 and 20,000 recognized federal, state, and local policing law enforcement agencies in the United States, and virtually everyone has its own protocols on ammunition procurement and use.

My guess is that this ammo was an overrun from a order from one of the larger forces, either at a state or local level, and is being sold surplus.
 
"The military and LEO's don't buy training ammo."

Yeah, some do.
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Agencies/Organizations that are concerned about maximizing their training ammo dollars probably don't use the Duty stuff for practice ammo ...... those that have no compunction about wasting Other People's Money? Not so much......
 
I shoot IDPA, and an FBI Agent shoots at our club, the odd time we are on the same squad, I see he shoots duty ammo.

Ranger. Winchester. The boxes looked banged about!

And reference Israeli Mil Spec ammo? Used as practice ammo? When I rented a range to El Al Security people, their black tip 9mm, came in little 64 round cardboard boxes, at the end of training, all brass was collected, boxes were burned in our old stove.

Kind of shy chaps.
 
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Hey, if you handload, it's potentially a great way to ensure that you're not accidentally picking up someone else's "Glocked" .40 brass at the range
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gnx carbide resizing die. pushes brass completely through to remove the bulge. no more issue :D

as for this being le surplus I think this is more marketing than actual surplus. why would they dump it as surplus if its stil in service. sounds like a gimmick to get people to buy it
 
3kgt2nv said:
as for this being le surplus I think this is more marketing than actual surplus. why would they dump it as surplus if its stil in service.
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It's most likely a contract overrun rather than legitimate surplus. IOW the cartridges may not have been delivered to the intended buyer.

Some LE and military contracts for bulk-quantity expendable items like pistol cartridges (or pencils, file folders, bandages, whatever) are written on a so-called Indefinite Delivery, Indefinite Quantity basis- the contractor agrees to deliver up to X units before date Y at unit price Z, but the exact number of units and delivery dates are not specified beforehand, to give the agency more budgeting flexibility. In such cases, the contractor will often stockpile the item to ensure prompt deliveries when the agency calls for more, but sometimes they guess the quantity wrong and they wind up with leftovers when the contract expires.

FWIW I wonder if the unique purple cases are intended to avert pilfering. :rolleyes:
 
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I may be a gun-toting DHS employee. And someone higher up may have ordered purple training ammo (to make sure we don't put the wrong boolits in our guns). Then a bunch of other people may have realized that the purple ammo cost just as much as our duty ammo and said "well that was a dumb idea" and then sent it back. Now we're back to training with duty ammo. I mean, maybe.
 
carguychris said:
FWIW I wonder if the unique purple cases are intended to avert pilfering
Brit said:
That makes sense! Start shooting at a public range "Where did you get this ammo from?"
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I was thinking more along the lines of a table at a gun show during the height of Panicky Squirrel Rodeo II. :rolleyes:
 
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