May be giving up on Glock (but what next)

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Greaser685

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In 2012 I bought my first handgun, a Gen 4 Glock 19. I didn't know much about guns at the time but I knew about Glocks reputation. You can beat the hell out of it and it wont fail you.

Well here we are two years later and I have had more than a few problems from a company that prides itself on not having problems.

1) my glock stove piped alot...far more than any grip issue could produce. The spring was the newer post recall spring and my grip was swat officer trained and yet it still stove piped more than im comfortable with for a carry weapon.

2) the other day misfired and a metal piece that runs along the bottom of the spring (forgive me for not knowing what the piece is called) came out.

So at this point I'm considering abandoning Gaston and possibly picking up a USP or a sig in .40. So my questions are.

A) do I jump ship or give Glock another chance
And

B) if I do jump do I go with the Germans or the Swedes.
 
B) if I do jump do I go with the Germans or the Swedes.
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Don't forget the Czech Republic, CZ. PS Are you sure it was a Glock, they can shoot one million rounds without failing and go bang every time you pull the trigger. :)
 
I can't diagnose your issues nor tell you what other firearm you might prefer.

I can only say that making decisions such as "abandoning" an entire company based on a single sample and single experience is a foolish mistake. Every company in the history of the world, the companies renowned for making the most reliable what-ever-it-is-they-make, has made lemons. Toyota, Apple, Glock, pick your favorites. They've all made an occasional pile of junk.

My carry gun for the past 6 years has been a Glock 33 and I've had not one single problem with it. However, proclaiming it's perfection based on my one sample and experience is no better than abandoning the entire product line because of yours.

There are some guns that I like better than my Glock, now. If I could go back to 2008, I would have bought a S&W M&P instead of my Glock... even though my Glock has been flawless.

I can't say it would have been better, and if I had bought one I might be saying now that I wish I'd bought the Glock. Who knows.

Bottom line, short version: Rely on a products earned reputation, not on your own statistically irrelevant experiences, good or bad.
 
I wouldn't go 40, I'd look at sr9, there are a lot of good guns out there. Is this a carry piece are you Leo?
 
I have my degree and am looking for leo work but at this time it's a carry weapon and a Florida carry weapon at that I.E no open carry
 
I have owned two Glocks and both had issues with ejecting brass towards the shooter so I sold them soon after buying them. That being said, I still intend to buy a Glock 20. It has the best reputation of any double stack 10mm so it is the one I'll purchase.
 
I agree with Brian dont give up on a company because of experiences with 1 gun. Even HK and Sig have more expensive lemons. By all means try the HK or the Sig also CZ was mentioned. But to give up on a brand, especially one that has more than lived up to the hype such as Glock has seems foolish.
 
I do not own a Glock and do not own anything in .40 caliber.

Here are some pistol manufacturers you might want to take a look at: Beretta, Sig Sauer, and for the most bang for the buck SCCY. SCCY only has two models and they are both in 9MM (Made in the USA). I even love my Remington R1 (1911); although Remington and its customers are having major headaches with the R51.

I would also steer clear of Bersa. All of the above is my personal opinion with plenty of bias mixed in.
 
In 2012 I bought my first handgun, a Gen 4 Glock 19. I didn't know much about guns at the time but I knew about Glocks reputation. You can beat the hell out of it and it wont fail you.
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Hmmm.

Does it misbehave in other people's hands? In more experienced shooters' hands?
 
It does. Though less so. The stove piping went down noticeably after I took my advance class, I.e grip improved but it still does it more than I am comfortable with in my hands and in others. My argument is I mostly carry in my car, and if I have to pull fast it's not likely going to be with the best grip. I can have a weapon that feeds bad that often.
 
If it's going to be a carry gun, you need to have confidence that it'll run right, and run right when you need it to. I honestly don't know if your confidence in the G19 can be rebuilt (giving it another chance) or if you'd be better off replacing it (giving up on it).

That said, I'm not a big fan of the .40, so if I were in the market to replace a G19, these would be my contenders:
1. Ruger SR9 or 9C
2. S&W M&P 9 or 9C
3. CZ 75 (I'm not altogether too familiar with this line, but there are several that look appealing.)
4. CZ P-07 (? 09? . . . again, there's more than one appealing model in this line)
 
This might help.

Sweden
Sweden, officially the Kingdom of Sweden, is a Scandinavian country in Northern Europe. Sweden borders Norway and Finland, and is connected to Denmark by a bridge-tunnel across the Øresund
Capital: Stockholm
Population: 9.517 million (2012) World Bank
Colleges and Universities: Lund University, Uppsala University, More
Official language: Swedish Language
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Switzerland
Country
Switzerland, officially the Swiss Confederation, is a federal parliamentary republic consisting of 26 cantons, with Bern as the seat of the federal authorities, the so-called Bundesstadt.
Currency: Swiss franc
Population: 7.997 million (2012) World Bank
Official languages: French, German Language, Romansh language, Italian Language
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Here's the thing, that Glock you picked up which has been an error machine is a fluke. It's not representative of a great company that has produced millions of pistols, the vast majority being uber-reliable, uber-tough guns. There's no logical reason to abandon them.

That said

Logic is only part of the equation with a home defense or carry gun. The other element is confidence and emotional comfort. The ability to pick up the gun and solely worry about your sight picture because you know your equipment is going to work.

If you think you can get over it with a new Glock, get a new Glock, but if you need a fresh start there are a LOT of very high-quality non-Glock guns out there waiting to offer it.
 
It does. Though less so. The stove piping went down noticeably after I took my advance class, I.e grip improved but it still does it more than I am comfortable with in my hands and in others.
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This leads me to believe its more of a shooter problem, than it is the gun. Are you sure youre not allowing the gun to move rearward under recoil when you shoot? Thats the only way Ive been able to get my Glocks to have an issue that wasnt ammo related, and I have to work at getting it to happen.

Some call it limp wristing, but the wrists really have nothing to do with it.



Another question is, what kind of ammo are you using? Factory, or range/personal reloads?

I shoot a lot of reloads, and I shoot/reload my brass to failure. I have found that as I cycle through the lots I have loaded, as the brass reaches the failure point (more and more split necks is usually one of the first signs), I start getting more and more ammo related malfunctions, IE. erratic extraction issues (brass to the head), stovepipes, double feeds, etc,. I find the older the brass, with a lot of cycles, the more the rim is tore up from constantly being extracted, the extractors dont always get a good purchase on the rim and the malfunctions ensue. If I switch to a new lot of brass, or use new factory ammo, the issue immediately goes away.


As far as something else.... Id recommend one of the SIG's, P226 or 228/229, or even a P250.
 
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