Maximizing effectiveness of .22/.25/.32 an dother mousy calibers

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Oleg Volk

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We have pretty much agreed that small calibers won't likely drop an elephant or a BG with a single shot to the toes. Given limited energy levels and sometimes poor sights on mouseguns, how would you make the tiny weapons more effective (techniques, ammo, etc.)?

And please do not say "get a .45". If we could have a .45 or a 155mm available, would we settle for a .25? We are talking baout making the most of a lousy situation...



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OK, I will bite. Practice what? Firing the gun? Shooting it fast? Shooting it accurately? At what range? Etc. Insights and fav techniques are welcome.

BTW, if old movies are any indication, good guys shot with a .45 live long enough to bore everyone with their talking...but BG's drop if as much as a .32 is fired in their general direction.
 
Oleg - my mouse gun practice is to get some of those avery labels at the office supply store and use'em to simulate the BGs eyes on a IPSC target. You have to look hard, but they do make round ones.

I draw the gun from where I carry it and try to shoot for the eyes. Smooth equals fast after a while. I also devote a substantial amount of rounds to one hand and weak hand shooting.

Rarely move the target much furthur out than 7 yards.

Giz
 
Gizmo - eye shot is a hard one on a moving target. Have you tried that? If you miss
high with the mouse round you are shooting
right at a lot of bone.

Or you shoot right past the head.

NAA once recommend a shot shell in it's
minis for the first head shot. Blind him.
The pattern on a target is huge even close up.
 
I am on the waiting list for my mouse / "pimpe" .380 6+1 SEECAMP. It is identical in weight, size, shape and ammount of rounds as the .32 but with the accuracy, reliability, and stopping power of a cor-bon or triton round. I can't wait to blow off my hand !
 
When I once needed maximum concealment, I carried a .22 Short Astra Cub. When asked what I would do if attacked, I said "I will shoot him here and here", pointing to my forehead just above the eyes. "Is that a soft part of the skull?", asked the other guy. "No," I replied, "but the blood will run down in his eyes and blind him and I'll throw the &%$# gun at him and run like hell."

Seriously, with a small caliber, shoot for the head and throat. Even a shot that doesn't penetrate will be like a sledgehammer blow and will take the steam out of all but the most determined attacker. A hit in the eye will often be instantly fatal.

Jim
 
Thanks for opening the discussion on diminuitive calibers again with the clairification that we dont need to be told that a .45 is better than a .32!

Since I havent been able to get to a shooting range yet to test my Gaurdian, I have been researching ammo so I can buy different brands to test in my gun.

I realize that reliability is paramount in a bullet so that is why I am trying to determine what type of bullet before I settle on a brand to test in my gun.

I am finding that there is so many advertisment fuled endorsments of all kinds of bullets that it is hard to know what is factual and what is sales driven fantasy.

Here is where I am at so far,

Prefragmented rounds- No. Cant have a bullet breaking up with this small of a round.

JHP-Mabey. Not sure if they are worth the higher cost seeing how they are said not to expand effectivly at subsonic speeds, and expanding may reduce penetration.

FMJ-Probably. It would seem that these rounds would have the best chance of penetration against a heavily clothed attacker.

Thats where I am at so far in my thinking.

Does anybody have any thoughts on this?

BR
 
Yes, my thinking is "first, make a hole", then worry about how big it is and how fast it gets made.

But if you can find a round that gives 100% reliability AND a bigger hole (larger caliber, JHP's) or faster impact then do it..........




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There was an interesting thread on stopping power a way back and a site was referenced that had lots of gunshot wound pictures.
It seems clear to me that all calibers are very fatal, but stopping power is still a huge question mark, regardless of the caliber (with possible exception of 45ACP...) But what I really learned was the extensive damage caused by MUSSLE BLAST from an up close or contacting shot compared to bullet hits. It seems to me wise, then, to save at least the last round for a contact shot if it comes to that. Agreed?
 
Yep, pressed tightly the muzzle blast is going to greatly enlarge the wound channel as it is created. Double his pleasure. :)
 
I like FMJ for mouse guns, and aiming to the sternum or just above it into the lower neck. The head is made up of some awfully hard bones. I can see a head shot grazing off the skull and doing no immediate damage.

Since we are talking about small calibers, I'd also add the idea of running away as fast as possible. I would hope that the first couple of shoots give me enough room to get the heck out of dodge.
 
Guess I've been lucky. My Beretta .25 ACP has been 100% reliable. Hornady claims 900 fps out of a 2inch barrel, and the barrel on a Jetfire is 2.4 inches. I like the Hornady ammo, it's fast and it expanded when I shot my school books. :)

Ben

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Just flick that selector lever to full auto! :D Ahh, if this were only possible...

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Oleg,
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My Colt Vest Pocket .25 has been eating a steady diet of fmj (starting with an old box of remmington "kleenbore" fmc ammo). It doesn't seem to like hp's and frangibles are out of the question in a mousy gun.

I haven't gotten great accuracy out of my tiny colt (about a 5 inch group at 10 feet), but look at it this way.. its so small you could easily ccw a baker's dozen of them.

I'm having my colt refinished soon... will probably opt for original blue rather than more corrosion resistant nickel.

Dr.Rob
 
One of the Vest Pockets shown on my site has been used in a competition. Took a fairly high place, too...the guy knew how to use it and accuracy was pretty good. I was impressed. At 21ft, the group was about 2"
 
I have had the misfortune of being shot twice
both times with .22 Rifles.
The first struck me in the left eyebrow and
skidded across the front of my (Obviously
hard)skull--plenty of blood but no incapacitation and oddly enough--no pain to
speak of.
The second occasion I was shot in the right
calf muscle---plenty of pain and I went down
straight away.
If you do want to use such a small calibre
then good luck to you--a hit in the right
place will certainly do the business.
 
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