Materials and costs

Four hours later and finally back from town. :)
I appreciate those links, Jim and Dufus, I've never heard of either of them and they didn't come up when I was googling things. They're bookmarked now though. Those prices are way better than Midway, 500 wads for just under $10 and shot for $37/25lb. I'll still see what I can find here though, I'll avoid that shipping cost if I can. Who knows, maybe I can find scrap lead around town. I've got a forge, I could cast it myself.

So to update my findings... I found a powder and primers today, the powder is $30 which was less than what I expected for around here, I didn't see the primers but the guy I was chatting with there said they had them. I'm expecting the price would be similar to what Midway listed considering the powder was about right. He also told me somewhere else I could go to look for other materials so when it dries out we get some sunshine in the next week or two I'll find some back roads and take a ride out that way.

Guys, I said reloading was something I'm considering getting into meaning I know very little about the best way to go about it and I don't know anybody else that does it which is why I came here first. I shoot for fun in my yard and saving money isn't my big reason for wanting to do this. Yes I would like to save some money in getting started at it, and even if I was breaking even I'd still want to do it because reloading genuinely interests me. I'll keep my eye out for a MEC 600 in fair condition, the ones I saw on ebay were missing parts or pretty rusted up and would still cost $80-100 after shipping. For that much money I'd at least like something to not have been neglected. The prices and counts I put in that first post were just from a few minutes skimming through websites, if I spent longer I'm sure I would come up with something better but I never said I was buying any of it right now or in the next few days. I'm a patient person and I don't mind waiting for the right deal to come my way. Shoot, I was looking at motorcycles for probably 4 years before I found a goldwing for a price I liked. I scored an 85 GL1200 with only 50k miles in great condition for $700. All that said, I doubt I'll wait that long for a deal on a press. Once I've done all the research I think I can do and had my ear to the ground long enough, if a MEC doesn't find me I'll end up buying the Lee and using that until I can afford a nicer one.

This is a pretty rural place I'm in, I'd have to drive maybe 90 minutes to a gun range if I wanted to pick through their trash for spent hulls so in my travels I'll see if I can find anybody that's saved theirs for whatever reason and talk somebody out of some of them for a few dollars. There's one place in town that might have some of the things I'm looking for but my past dealings with them have been less than pleasant and left a bad taste, they're not getting my business. I'd use the ones out of my yard but they've been in the dirt so long I wouldn't dare putting them back in a gun.
 
How much shooting and what kind of shooting will you do?
Unless you need tournament quality shells, you might do better just buying promotional quality shells at Walmart. Federal Multi-purpose is pretty good, although I have not had good results from Winchester Universal. Remington Game Loads and Gun Club shells are OK.
 
When I get the time I shoot quite a bit. Once in a long while my cousin will want to shoot some clay targets, once in a while the squirrel population and other small nuisance animals around my house and his gets out of control and we have to thin it out. He makes dog treats out of them... and t hasn't happened in a long time but we have bears get ballsy and come around making noise, I just take a few shots at nothing to scare them off. My purposes are mostly fun and recreation, sometimes it serves a purpose.

I wish people wouldn't keep telling me reasons to not do this. Whatever reasons there are to just buy ammo instead of loading it myself are irrelevant. I like having things I made myself, I like learning skills such as this, so I'm doing it.
 
i run two mec-9000,s and four mec-650,s, but at the cost of loading supplies and my time, i just go to walmart and buy a 100 box of federal 1-1/8-#8 shot for 19.95 as you can see thats 19.5 cents a round. about 50.00 a flat,or .20 cents a factory round. 25lbs of shot at 35.00 and shooting 1-1/8 oz = 350 loads= .10 cents, wads .02.5 cents a piece, primers 30.00 a thousand= .03 cents, powder 22.00 a pound with 18 grs a round =.05.5 cents a round for a total of .21 cents for a reloaded round. and if you have a screw up four or five shells loading add about a dollar to the total cost. last week i shot a 94-100 at trap with the federal shells. i shoot 3-4 hundred shotgun shells a week at the clays games and i like to load shotgun and pistol and rifle and when the cost of supplies go up for shotgun i will reload. eastbank.
 
My 12 reloads are 3/4oz running 1275fps. They work my gas guns perfectly and I get 533 loads from a 25# bag of shot......... works great for a lot of practice that won't break the bank or the shoulder. You can't buy these in any store.
 
Loading shotgun shells requires matching components based on type/brand of "hull", shot load , and expected velocity. The "Load-All" worked for me through several years before I could afford more expensive equipment but requires some care in operation especially in the crimping process.
I quit loading when I stopped trap shooting. Now days, a carton of 100 shells sells for $21-22+tax at Walmart and I saw a PSA sale last week for some better grade 20 gauge shells for $4/box shipped free if you bought 5 boxes(?).
 
I used a 12 and a 20 for a lot of years, they work. Come with a set of powder bushings and shot bushings. To get started without a lot of money, they are great!
 
I've got a Central Arms double barrel and a Mossberg 500.

Could you tell me what you normally pay for a bag of wads and some shot? I'm rained out of work today so I planned on taking the long way to town and stopping at the one or two places that might have what I'm looking for to see some prices. I haven't bought ammo in a long time, last time I did though one of those 100count value packs of target load was $18 and I bought enough to last quite a while. I'm assuming it's $25-30 for the same thing by now. I try not to look when I go to the store, the inflation is depressing.

If your gonna reload, buy target loads for shooting. All you really care about is the hull. Get either Win AA or Remington STS, I think it's STS. Tell the guy you want compression formed hulls. The base wad is not a seperate piece in them, whole case is one piece.
 
My dad shoots competition trap. This Ponsness Warren is what he is running now.

If you shop around you can find a used 375 for $250-$300

I have never used a MEC, can't speak to their function or fit/finish. But Ponsness Warren is kind of the Dillon of shotshell presses .
 
The Winchester AA HS hulls are now two piece construction.

The Remington's are compression formed STS, Gun Clubs, and the new Target & Field
shells.
 
The only reloading component that seems a bit high is the price on the shot.

Alliants Red Dot powder is a very good powder for target loadings also.

25lb bag of Lawrence Brand lead shot for target shooting over a field. (35.00)


If and when questions arise or for searching for powder recipes or component purchases. I would like to suggest this place to satisfy those needs. http://www.ballisticproducts.com/
 
Personally, for load data, I like going to either Hodgdon or Alliant - since they are the powder maker/distributors with the biggest piece of the liability pie, I tend to trust their data the most. Lyman, BPI, and others just aggregate their data from other sources.

While everyone says NO SUB!, that is not entirely true - there ARE minor tweaks which are perfectly safe and acceptable - certain wads, certain hulls, even certain primers ca. n be interchanged without concern. Remember, unlike metallic where you start low an work up, in shotshell you start and finish with the load as published. Exceeding max loads for one set of data isn't necessary as there will be other loadings available that by switching a component or two as listed will give you what you want to achieve.
 
Remington hulls

I use exclusively Remington hulls, many many thousands of Remington hulls.

AFAIK the gun club cheapies are the same as the premium STS hulls. You will want to pick one brand of hull when reloading shotshells,

The two that are popular are Winchester and Remington. I would give the win to Remington hulls as far as popularity.

I get between 6-10 loadings per hull. That's one ounce trap loads. Eventually the crimp area gets pretty crispy...somewhere between 6-10 reloads.
 
Thank you all for the bits of advice. I'm still out and about checking on a few places to see what they carry without much luck. I've only found two places that carry powder and primers, one carries brass but nothing else, and the other places I've been don't have anything. I'll probably go to the flea market on the weekend after next, it'll probably be pretty busy with all these idiots coming to town to stare at the sun on that monday.
 
"...move to pistol and rifle..." Different machines and considerably more expensive than shotgun loading. Start with whichever you shoot most. And even with shotgun, buy components locally.
 
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