Massive Weapons Cache Found in SoCal Home

Have to love Jim Rawles of www.survivalblog.com's comments:

Just imagine if he lived elsewhere:
In Arizona, he'd be called "an avid gun collector"
In Texas, he'd be called "a novice gun collector"
In Utah, he'd be called "moderately well prepared," but they'd probably reserve judgment until they made sure that he had a corresponding quantity of storage food.
In Montana, he'd be called "The neighborhood 'Go-To' guy."
In Idaho, he'd be called "a likely gubernatorial candidate."
And, in Wyoming he'd be called "an eligible bachelor."


My addition:
And in Pennsylvania he would be targeted by New York Mayor Bloomburg as the reason for crime in the Big Apple.
 
I like the word cache instead of collection....

one story says a large amount of ammuntion another story says over a million rounds....hrmmm

I wonder if they counted all of them.
 
I think if I had 75 lbs of black powder and other stuff in the house and it was on fire - I would leave.

Might that suggest the fellow was misguided in some of his behaviors?
 
Cache vs Collection

So if you own 100 firearms it is a collection? If you have ammunition for them then it suddenly becomes a cache? Except for the possible improper storage of black powder I don't understand all the excitement. I think his weapons should have been removed from the rubble, evaluated for fire damage and filed as part of his homeowner's claim. Subsequently, they should be returned.
 
I live in Riverside and Norco is only a small drive over a hill for me.actually spent a year at Norco High school as a Jr.Norco is indeed a different city then you will normally find in souther Kalifornia.Best way to describe it would be a Bunch or horse loving cowboy types that like the weather and have carved out a niche for themselves.The problem is that its in Riverside county.Riverside county IMHO is not a gun friendly county and it is next to impossible to get a concealed carry permit for your every day type person.

http://www.californiaccw.org/forums/show/35.page;jsessionid=4EF30099BA5EDB7EC2B2325D14B6BF82

I am 100% that they will charge this guy with multiple felonies just to make sure atleast 1 sticks.I hope very much that he has the means to afford a good lawyer and gets his guns back.

The problem for me is very much like the comment haterade made about a 100 pound fish realy being 25.I bet the tunnell wasnt all that Big and honestley doesnt sound like that big of deal.Hell he probably wanted a basement in the first place which was far from a standard thing to find in the area(I am a cable installer so I have seen thousands of houses in the area and there are very few basements around here).I also think that the number 1,000,000 is rather large.Id like to know how long it took to count all that.Also if he did have 100 guns then that would only be 10,000 rounds per gun.Not that big of a deal.
 
Stiofan's post included the following:

Two weapons were assault rifles that were illegal ..., said sheriff's Deputy Juan Zamora.

Re the above mentioned "illegal assault rifles", were they SELECTIVE FIRE WEAPONS, or were they simply semi-automatic rifles that the California legislature has opted to describe as "assault rifles", notwithstanding the fact that they aren't.

Of course, re this one comes up against the difference between fact, and political fiction, the latter all to often coming to be written into the law, particularly in, though not limited to, California.
 
Over 5 lbs black powder without FEL could be Federal charge. Possession of a firearm while commiting the Federal "crime" could add another 10 years. Resisting officer, minor charge. And a few other little things if it's put through the system as an example.
 
Just imagine if he lived elsewhere:
In Arizona, he'd be called "an avid gun collector"
In Texas, he'd be called "a novice gun collector"
In Utah, he'd be called "moderately well prepared," but they'd probably reserve judgment until they made sure that he had a corresponding quantity of storage food.
In Montana, he'd be called "The neighborhood 'Go-To' guy."
In Idaho, he'd be called "a likely gubernatorial candidate."
And, in Wyoming he'd be called "an eligible bachelor."


My addition:
And in Pennsylvania he would be targeted by New York Mayor Bloomburg as the reason for crime in the Big Apple.
Click to expand...

Let me add one more. In Virginina he'd be called the rich gun collector.:D
 
I kinda wonder if that "black powder" turns out to be regular smokeless powder... Ya think the reporter knows any difference?
 
having it be a reporter, anything that appeals to the masses and raises strife and sets emotion is front page material. Most people think of big explosion powder from movies and comedies so just the mention of "black powder" many people think DANGER!!! :eek: :rolleyes: slickers
 
This situation is much adoo about nothing. Seems to me, and I watched the reports live on FOX here, he is just a gun enthusiast, kept to himself, and didn't bother anyone. Was he preparing for TEOTWAWKI, maybe, but nothing is illegal about preparing for it. The so called Assault Weapons, yeah, not likely, just something to get people stirred up, and they never showed pictures of them, just boxes. Guy had something like 12 guns, never listed whether they were rifles or pistols. Hell, I've got 12 within 5 steps of me at this moment, and many more in a safe. I also saw reloading equipment, which would explain why he had so much ammo, I'm jealous LOL.

And from my understanding, he had no children living in the house, he can have the guns anywhere he likes, loaded and ready for action if he so chose. There is nothing illegal about keeping firearms unlocked in your own house that I'm aware of in CA law.

Bottom line, this is MSM's way of getting people riled up into their socialist mindset.

Have a great Kenpo day

Clyde
 
Also missing from this story are the findings of serveral tinfoil hats. :p

+1 for the tunnel though. I've always wanted some kind of underground bunker. I think the neighbors would notice all that dirt though.
 
Malone Lave

The English spelling of the reply given by King Leonidas (sic?) to Persian king Xerxes. Xerxes demanded (with a conservatively estimated 800,000 man army) that 300 Spartans surrender their arms. The Spartan reply 'Malone Lave' (ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒE (mo-lone lah-veh)) or 'Come and take them'. More information may be found by doing some research on the battle of Thermopolae.
 
MSM=wrong, as usual

Reading the "Daily Bulletin" article, you'll note that he had "about 75 pounds of BLACK ammunition powder". Hmmm, I used the last of my pink ammunition powder last week when I loaded ammo for my wife's gun. :rolleyes:
Also, the quote "a million plus rounds-plus rounds among OTHER illegal items.."
Since when was ammunition "illegal"? I wonder how many rounds of .22 rimfire ammo a lot of us have?
And, he had "five semi-automatic weapons...that is considered illegal" too. Have many do some of us have?
Folks, this is Kalifornia and, with apologies to those of you living in the Norco/Riverside area, it's still too darn close to Los Angeles. Norco used to be a great little area but it's been ruined by the fact that so many non-country people have moved out there. That's just my opinion but from my experience, it's not what it used to be.
Stick a fork in him, this guy is toast. :barf:
 
Just imagine if he lived elsewhere:
In Arizona, he'd be called "an avid gun collector"
In Texas, he'd be called "a novice gun collector"
In Utah, he'd be called "moderately well prepared," but they'd probably reserve judgment until they made sure that he had a corresponding quantity of storage food.
In Montana, he'd be called "The neighborhood 'Go-To' guy."
In Idaho, he'd be called "a likely gubernatorial candidate."
And, in Wyoming he'd be called "an eligible bachelor."
and if he lived in ohio i would call him my friend:)
 
For you guys that live in the Riverside, Inland Empire area, and have not been there long, would you believe friends and I used to go shoot cottontails and ground squirrels where Lake Paris covers the ground? Norco was boonies so was what is now Moreno Valley. Then it was rural and called Moreno and Sunnymead and you could just about shoot anywhere except next to houses.
My have things changed there. We're talking as late as early to mid 70's not that long ago really.
I have water skied on that lake and even then remembered when we could and would shoot a old 8MM Mauser .22's and other guns under where I was floating.

Hope this isn't too far off subject as I am just wanting to show how gun laws and society has changed so much in the last 30 or 40 years.
 
Double J writes:

Over 5 lbs black powder without FEL could be Federal charge. Possession of a firearm while commiting the Federal "crime" could add another 10 years. Resisting officer, minor charge. And a few other little things if it's put through the system as an example.

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Last time I looked, correct me if I'm wrong, one needed an FFL to "engage in the business of dealing in firearms". I fail to see the connection, if any, between possession of BLACK POWDER, if indeed it was BLACK POWDER as opposed to SMOKELESS POWDER, do reporters and or media types know the difference, and "being in the business of dealing in firearms". By the way, how much does the average police officer or sheriff's deputy know about propellants, ammunition or firearms in general?
 
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