Massive Weapons Cache Found in SoCal Home

An attic fire in a Norco home led to the discovery of about 100 guns, at least 1 million rounds of ammunition and an underground tunnel, local and federal law enforcement officials said today.

The man who lived in the house in the 1800 block of Pali Drive struggled with authorities about 3:30 p.m. yesterday, was taken into custody and placed on a 72-hour psychiatric hold, according to Riverside County sheriff's Investigator Jerry Franchville.

The resident, who lived alone, was reluctant to leave the burning house at first, then started fighting with sheriff's deputies when they arrived, Franchville said.

"He was physically detained," he said.

Once the fire was put out, authorities noticed a large number of weapons and a huge cache of ammunition, mostly in the garage, Franchville said.

In the garage, firefighters also found a tunnel leading under the house, Norco Fire Department Battalion Chief Ron Knueven said.

"We haven't gone down into it," he said. "What we've been told so far is that it goes under the house. According to a family member, it goes under the garage, then makes a 90-degree turn to the right and goes under the rest of the house."

The suspect's name was being withheld, Franchville said, because of limitations placed on the release of information about people under medical care in 2003 by the national Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act.

The cache of ammo was believed to be largest ever seized in the county, he said. It was unclear if any of the weapons were illegal to own, Franchville said.

Several other homes in the area were evacuated "to make sure that we don't have anything that could be ... a dangerous airborne or maybe explosive," he said.

The cause of the fire was not immediately known.

http://ktla.trb.com/news/ktla-weapons,0,3065900.story?coll=ktla-newsspecial3-1
 
I thought that the local cops would be wary of my 10 guns and a few hundred rounds of ammo, but over 100 guns and a million rounds!

Now I have something to live up to. Now, where did I put my tunneling shovel?:D

The 72 hour invoulontary commitment sounds a bit extreem, but I don't know the full story.
 
1 MILLION ROUNDS....

I wonder just how certain the writer of this article is. Has he/she ever SEEN 1 MILLION ROUNDS of ammunition? That's a LOT of ammo. Kinda like the people that say they caught a 100lb fish when it was, in reality, about 25lbs. But it sounds so much cooler to say it was 100lbs.

It will probably end up being a reloading press or two and 10,000 rounds of ammo. Enough to justify two extra zero's for the sake of a story... especially in LA. Story is officially over. Nothing else will come of it except for less of a story... and who would bother to report a correction?

Pure hype.
 
So that's where all the surplus ammo went.

I love the response from the last lady interviewed;

"So ho do you feel about all those machine gun bullets?"

"I uh, it's uh, devistating."
 
Enough to justify two extra zero's for the sake of a story... especially in LA.

Norco is and always has been a "horse town" in Riverside County, and though it's only an hour's drive from LA, it's a million miles away in attitude. I lived many years there, before moving to the desert in '89.
 
he's labeled as a suspect... a suspect of what? what's the charge? Even CA doesn't restrict number of firearms in ones posession, or amount of ammo. Digging a tunnel without building permit? Fighting with authorities?
 
he's labeled as a suspect... a suspect of what? what's the charge? Even CA doesn't restrict number of firearms in ones posession, or amount of ammo. Digging a tunnel without building permit? Fighting with authorities?

I was wondering the same thing.:confused:
If I had a tunnel under my house I would probably use for disaster storge. ie food and Eq.
 
the article I read said two of his assault rifles were illegal

and besides that he had 75lbs of black powder... personally I take issue with anyone having 75lbs of black powder in a residential neighborhood. guns and ammo are not really that dangerous even in a house fire... unless there is a round in the chamber of the gun... but that much black powder could cause somemore hurt on folks standing around.
 
rhgunguy said:
The 72 hour invoulontary commitment sounds a bit extreem, but I don't know the full story.

I'm willing to bet it wasn't involuntary. If he had any brains, he'd sign himself in as soon as he got wind of it. An involuntary committment robs you of the right to ever purchase a firearm again. I'd be kicking and screaming that I WANT help. Voluntary committment has zero legal ramifications.
 
http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_5346812

Gary Eppler, who lives across the street, identified him as Thomas McKiernan, a retired machinist in his 60s who recently separated from his wife, has grown children and didn't seem unusual in the nine years he has known him.

Eppler said McKiernan had an interest in guns and has a son who is an Army sniper who went to Iraq last year and returned safely.

"I knew that he target-practiced and we'd talk about that. He'd go to a rifle range so I knew he had some ammunition," Eppler said.

McKiernan talked about reloading shell casings but said he hadn't done it in some time, Eppler said.

"I've been a psych nurse for 30 years and I didn't notice anything unusual," the neighbor said.​


I dont' know having an unregistered AR is a felony, or the blackpowder, but I'm sure they'll try and get him on something to take his guns away.

Riverside County sheriff's deputies and federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agents carried charred boxes and pieces of furniture out of the house, stacked numerous boxes of ammunition in the driveway and examined seized rifles.

Two weapons were assault rifles that were illegal and the man had no permit for 75 pounds of black gunpowder that was found, said sheriff's Deputy Juan Zamora.​
 
I'm willing to bet it wasn't involuntary. If he had any brains, he'd sign himself in as soon as he got wind of it. An involuntary committment robs you of the right to ever purchase a firearm again. I'd be kicking and screaming that I WANT help. Voluntary committment has zero legal ramifications.

Just to clarify: the article mentioned an involuntary 72 hour hold, not an involuntary committment. They are very different in that a hold can only be used if the person shows that he/she could be a danger to him/herself or others. The psych docs get three days to decide whether or not that's true. Then the person gets to appear before a judge and gets a public defender (or hires an attorney) and the judge then decides whether or not to commit the person to psychiatric care. Only THEN does it rise to the level of losing the right to own a firearm. If this gentleman is held and released after his hearing (or before the hearing -- the psych docs can choose to release anyone at anytime) then it cannot be held against him.

My question is, if you're not honestly insane, why claim that you are? If I had an illegal machine gun, for example, and the cops came and had to wrestle me down, I'd be hauled off to jail, not to the psych ward. I doubt very much the cops would listen to me trying to fake a mental illness just so I could try and short circuit an involuntary committment. My guess is that the cops arrived and during the struggle, the gentleman in question was ranting on in a paranoid fashion; combine that with his combativeness, the "secret" tunnel, weapons and probably illegal gunpowder and it gave enough convincing evidence that he was in fact, a danger to himself or to others (and after having been briefly interviewed by social workers).
 
My guess is that the cops arrived and during the struggle, the gentleman in question was ranting on in a paranoid fashion; combine that with his combativeness, the "secret" tunnel, weapons and probably illegal gunpowder and it gave enough convincing evidence that he was in fact, a danger to himself or to others (and after having been briefly interviewed by social workers).

hey thats likely a story as anyhting else...since we dont know the facts anyway

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