Master Blaster
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Glock will replace the whole gun for $90 It only costs them $25 to make it
Massive Glock-20 frame failure!
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juliet charley
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Gaston always knew how to make a buck --now knowing how to make a pistol is another question
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--now knowing how to make a pistol is another question .MedicatedOne
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Why would you wanna should a wimpy load like 357sig out of a 10mm??? Silly people.... 
The barrel maker should have been contacted too.
Using an aftermarket barrel (that has not been endorsed by the gun manufacturer) should have voided any warranty offered by Glock, expressed or implied.
The barrel maker should have had 'first crack' at examining this pistol. I cannot imagine Glock not making mention of this barrel (and its potential effects) in their analysis.
If Glock is in fact going to replace this gun, then they truly are the "nice guy" in this situation. Replacing a pistol at any cost shows that they are deeply interested in preserving their 'reputation'.
Despite my own skepticism about Glock .40s and "unsupported chambers" that can cause kB!s, this goes beyond that issue. Using "unsanctioned" parts and ammo *can* cause problems. Every shooter should use care and caution when operating a firearm under those conditions. Your life is not worth the difference between an aftermarket barrel and a new pistol.
MJ
Using an aftermarket barrel (that has not been endorsed by the gun manufacturer) should have voided any warranty offered by Glock, expressed or implied.
The barrel maker should have had 'first crack' at examining this pistol. I cannot imagine Glock not making mention of this barrel (and its potential effects) in their analysis.
If Glock is in fact going to replace this gun, then they truly are the "nice guy" in this situation. Replacing a pistol at any cost shows that they are deeply interested in preserving their 'reputation'.
Despite my own skepticism about Glock .40s and "unsupported chambers" that can cause kB!s, this goes beyond that issue. Using "unsanctioned" parts and ammo *can* cause problems. Every shooter should use care and caution when operating a firearm under those conditions. Your life is not worth the difference between an aftermarket barrel and a new pistol.
MJ
lonegunman
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Yea, but you have to admit having a single handgun that can serve as a 10mm, 357 sig, or Hand Grenade, is extremely versatile.
File interchangeable barrels under "things not to do with a handgun"
File interchangeable barrels under "things not to do with a handgun"
Yes, I agree.
However, there is a big difference between a Glock Drop-In Barrel, and a XXXCorp Drop-In Barrel.
I often think about buying the .357SIG barrel for my SIG P229. But I would never buy the 9mm barrel from BarSto. They are an excellent company, and make fine products, but it is not worth the risk. I would rather the piece of mind of buying a P228 instead.
The same applies here. I would feel better buying a G31, rather than chance an aftermarket product that is so crucial to the operation of the pistol.
MJ
I know too many people who've had fine luck with many drop in barrels from many different companies.
I believe this particular cartridge would have detonated a barrel made by Glock, Federal, KKM, Bar-Sto, or the Magic Barrel Forging Company of the Halls of the Elven King.
Like I said earlier, .357SIG is a cartridge that does not tolerate manufacturing screwups.
I believe this particular cartridge would have detonated a barrel made by Glock, Federal, KKM, Bar-Sto, or the Magic Barrel Forging Company of the Halls of the Elven King.
Like I said earlier, .357SIG is a cartridge that does not tolerate manufacturing screwups.
PS. I do think the lads in Smyrna are going above and beyond the call in even dealing with this. Given the aftermarket barrel and different chambering, it would be very easy for them to weasel out of any obligations.
When you start dropping in aftermarket barrels into any brand or model of gun (especially in different chamberings than they came from the factory in), you start heading into the realm of "caveat emptor, baby".
When you start dropping in aftermarket barrels into any brand or model of gun (especially in different chamberings than they came from the factory in), you start heading into the realm of "caveat emptor, baby".
lonegunman
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"I know too many people who've had fine luck with many drop in barrels from many different companies. "
Luck???
I am not sure how convincing that argument is.
Unless I was going to get the gun checked out by a competent gun smith after I put an aftermarket barrel in it, I dont think I would do it.
Like I mentioned i a previous post, I know one man with a scar from his sternum to his pubic bone because of a catastrophic failure of an aftermarket berrel in a Sig. (This guy thought he was a gunsmith, too).
"I know too many people who've had fine luck with many drop in barrels from many different companies. "
Luck???
I am not sure how convincing that argument is.
Unless I was going to get the gun checked out by a competent gun smith after I put an aftermarket barrel in it, I dont think I would do it.
Like I mentioned i a previous post, I know one man with a scar from his sternum to his pubic bone because of a catastrophic failure of an aftermarket berrel in a Sig. (This guy thought he was a gunsmith, too).
I'm kinda curious what check you think a competent gunsmith would perform, other than a headspace check (which can be done at home)? I mean, other than magnafluxing the barrel, (which gunsmiths usually aren't exactly set up to do; you'd be better off taking it to a race car mechanic for that) what special check could a gunsmith perform? If somebody brought in a drop-in barrel in their Heckler & Beretta G99A1, Shannon (our gunsmith) might headspace check it, wave his hand and say "bless you my son", relieve you of $15 and send you on your merry way.
CastleBravo
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You are better off having your FACTORY barrel checked out before you shoot the gun, than an aftermarket barrel made by somebody like Bar-Sto, Jarvis, KKM, Kart, etc. since the whole point of their existence is to make a better product than the OEM.
And trust me, they do!
And trust me, they do!
lonegunman
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First, I dont know how to do a head space check, so I would have to get someone to do that.
Short of that, I dont know enough about gunsmithing to answer the question, and maybe there isnt anything else for a gunsmith to check....
In which case I guess I really would be stuck with just "luck", and as I said before this does not bestow a lot of confidence.
Maybe a factory barrel would be just as likely to blow up just as an aftermarket barrel, but keeping things stock won't void your warranty.
Now, I have read on some aftermarket parts that "minor fitting may be required". Maybe the barrel wasnt fit right, I dont know, but would it be a possibility? That kind of disclaimer though would make me very nervous about using it unless someone who knew what they were doing installed it.
Short of that, I dont know enough about gunsmithing to answer the question, and maybe there isnt anything else for a gunsmith to check....
In which case I guess I really would be stuck with just "luck", and as I said before this does not bestow a lot of confidence.
Maybe a factory barrel would be just as likely to blow up just as an aftermarket barrel, but keeping things stock won't void your warranty.
Now, I have read on some aftermarket parts that "minor fitting may be required". Maybe the barrel wasnt fit right, I dont know, but would it be a possibility? That kind of disclaimer though would make me very nervous about using it unless someone who knew what they were doing installed it.
People seem to be missing ...
... what the facts (as described in the original post) actually suggest is the cause.
Assuming the accuracy of the post as to how this reported kaboom! occurred, it had nothing to do with the specific model of Glock used. Nor, probably, the barrel itself.
As CB points out, in most reported Glock kabooms, the damage is nowhere near this extensive to the gun - or, for that matter, to the shooter. (Do a Search here or on GT, especially w/ the .40S&W Glocks).
What is described here (again, assuming without knowing the report's accuracy) is clearly an overcharged cartridge, as if someone had double-loaded the powder in the case. Hence - upon detonation of the primer - the described grenading effect occurred, causing extensive damage to barrel, frame, etc, beyond what is typically seen.
Thankfully, the shooter wasn't injured more seriously.
... what the facts (as described in the original post) actually suggest is the cause.
Assuming the accuracy of the post as to how this reported kaboom! occurred, it had nothing to do with the specific model of Glock used. Nor, probably, the barrel itself.
As CB points out, in most reported Glock kabooms, the damage is nowhere near this extensive to the gun - or, for that matter, to the shooter. (Do a Search here or on GT, especially w/ the .40S&W Glocks).
What is described here (again, assuming without knowing the report's accuracy) is clearly an overcharged cartridge, as if someone had double-loaded the powder in the case. Hence - upon detonation of the primer - the described grenading effect occurred, causing extensive damage to barrel, frame, etc, beyond what is typically seen.
Thankfully, the shooter wasn't injured more seriously.
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bad_dad_brad
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This thread is a prime example why I don't tinker with the internals of my firearms or reload and why I use only quality factory ammo. And another reason I like the 9mm cartridge.
Given what a firearm does you better know what you are doing before you go changing factory specs.
Given what a firearm does you better know what you are doing before you go changing factory specs.
Zigokubasi
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Ok, since this has digressed into some kind of bull**** warranty whining-session, maybe I should mention this.
I went over to my friend's house to see the weapon before he sent it in to Glock, and the picture doesn't tell the whole story at all. The "aftermarket barrel" that everyone has been fixated on, and which I thought had ruptured in the pic, is in fact fine. The slide is also fine, except for the chunk that blew off around the ejection port. The round was a Speer .357 Sig, and may in fact be the culprit. The frame is shattered on both sides of the grip, all the way to the mag well. Glock says that this is a "known issue", but claim that it only seems to happen with .357 Sig, and not in any other caliber. They also agree that the weapon should have been able to handle that caliber just fine. However, in his infinite wisdom, my friend purchased the barrel on gunbroker, so has no idea who the manufacturer is. That's why Glock is doing all the leg work. I'm not sure what planet some of you people are from, but that's the quintessential essence of "customer service" around here. Very few companies provide that level of support, and it's nice to see one every now and then. It's probably because of the "kB" issue, and their desire to avoid bad publicity. The general feeling with everyone involved was that the ammo was responsible. The bullet fired, but he is sending the case in to Glock as well. The barrel may still be the culprit, but it's unlikely. Glock is checking for metal fatigue, and making sure the dimensions are spec.
Ziggy
Ok, since this has digressed into some kind of bull**** warranty whining-session, maybe I should mention this.
I went over to my friend's house to see the weapon before he sent it in to Glock, and the picture doesn't tell the whole story at all. The "aftermarket barrel" that everyone has been fixated on, and which I thought had ruptured in the pic, is in fact fine. The slide is also fine, except for the chunk that blew off around the ejection port. The round was a Speer .357 Sig, and may in fact be the culprit. The frame is shattered on both sides of the grip, all the way to the mag well. Glock says that this is a "known issue", but claim that it only seems to happen with .357 Sig, and not in any other caliber. They also agree that the weapon should have been able to handle that caliber just fine. However, in his infinite wisdom, my friend purchased the barrel on gunbroker, so has no idea who the manufacturer is. That's why Glock is doing all the leg work. I'm not sure what planet some of you people are from, but that's the quintessential essence of "customer service" around here. Very few companies provide that level of support, and it's nice to see one every now and then. It's probably because of the "kB" issue, and their desire to avoid bad publicity. The general feeling with everyone involved was that the ammo was responsible. The bullet fired, but he is sending the case in to Glock as well. The barrel may still be the culprit, but it's unlikely. Glock is checking for metal fatigue, and making sure the dimensions are spec.
Ziggy
juliet charley
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A "known issue" and they're still selling them?
Sounds like they are finally at least semi-acknowledging Glock 2x/3x models (all calibres) are more likely to kB! than the competition (hence the hurry to buy-off).
I don't know what planet you're from, but to me the "quintessential essence of 'customer service'" would be NOT selling a firearm with a "known issue" as you so blithely put it.
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