Massachusetts allowed Handguns

The fact that there's a gun on or not on a list doesn't bother me as much, than knowing that some retard made the list and doesn't know the differences between guns.
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The list isn't made by "some retard," even though there's no shortage of them in state government here. Manufacturers must submit five handguns of each model they want listed for testing against certain criteria (drop test, etc.) and those guns are destroyed in the process.

Obviously, models that are no longer manufactured will never appear on the list and other guns (high-end target pistols, for example) aren't there because the manufacturer has apparently decided they won't sell enough of them here to make up the loss of the five that are the cost of entry. And others (Colt, e.g.) just refuse to play.
 
No Chris; only YOU would read into a post like that. And if you're insulted by the post, then you deserve it. I never asked to rationalize that the law/rules was good or bad. Matter of fact, I never asked for any opinion about the law/rule itself. I was asking to rationalize how 2 almost identical guns that exist in the world; how one could be on the approved list and one isn't on the list. The list itself is strictly a law that the people of Mass need to fight with their law makers. But the logic or rational on WHICH guns are on the list is what I was questioning. But again, if you took offense to it because you can't read, or you prefer to be a pessimist and read into it negatively, then that's your problem. I don't care.
 
The person who voices the opinion is always responsible for how it's presented

Telling me I deserve something speaks volumes as to your manner, as do your little jabs in your reply. Somebody is all ****** off, but it's not me
 
The state governments of Massachusetts and California both have lists of allowed firearms and criteria - 'moonbat' or not - that firearms must meet to be legally owned within these states.

Both have large populations of relatively wealthy families. (Lots of not-so-wealthy citizens also, of course, but they don't have as much of a say in "how things shall be".)

You have to wonder why firearms laws are so bizarre in these two states, relative to the other 48.

I see no particular reason to relocate to either state, if you do not already live there. (There are perfectly wonderful graduate schools in many other states that have far more rational firearms laws...)

Best to all of you who are sentenced by fate to live in one of the two "Democratic People's Republics of..."

;)
 
A major problem with why many semi-autos are not approved in mass is you must be able to see that there is a round chambered at all times without having to pull back the slide. A good example is older glocks allow you to do this, newer ones do not. A few years ago glock produced what they thought was a new mass compliant glock to be sold in mass. It was sold for a few months untill the state decided it was not "mass compliant".

I would not be suprised if these things are decided by which gun company wants to hand the state of mass a briefcase full of cash
 
Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never, never--in nothing, great or small, large or petty--never give in, except to convictions of honor and good sense. Never yield to force. Never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.

http://www.school-for-champions.com/speeches/churchill_never_give_in.htm
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To paraphrase the words of Winston Churchill don't give in to the dark forces. We will win, it won't be fast, it wont be easy and it will go against the grain of the great civilized mass of sheep who have followed the nanny state straight to the butcher shop. Massive frustration here in Wisconsin too but slowly, surely the media is beginning to pay attention to the noises of free men. When they pay attention other people learn about us and what they learn is we aren't knuckle dragging, mouth breathing droolers who yearn to go out in a blaze of glory. We are just regular folk who want to die free men someday and for our children to live as free men.
 
Mass allowed handguns

Re MA. Compliant guns: For a gun to be MA compliant a manufacturer must provide 5 guns to be tested as mentioned previously. On top of that the manufacturer must pay $2000 per gun to be tested = $10,000. Now say that manufacturer want to sell the same gun in a different finish (S&W 19 vs 66), it must now provide another 5 guns and another $10,000. So you see it can be quite costly for a gun maker to play this game. Now to the best of my understanding this "consumer protection law" came to be under AG Scott Harshberger (sp?). GOAL spent many thousands of dollars to acquire the info under the FOI act. Their findings stated that the AG was anti-gun and instructed his staff to come up with any way to limit the number of guns for sale in MA. When his successor AG Reilly(sp?) was running for Governor he was asked by GOAL about this and AG Reilly admitted it was true. He subsequently lost the election and Martha Coakley became AG. She is even more Anti-Gun than the above mentioned AGs and refuses to address the issue. With the vast majority of our legislators being very liberal it is difficult to get this changed. GOAL continues to work for change but they need us to keep contacting our legislators.
In regards to simply voting the liberals out, I have been trying to for years. Finally Scott Brown broke the cycle, for now. Look low long Ted Kennedy survived despite his rabid anti-gun stance.
 
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massman, thanks for explaining the procedure. It definitely makes sense. However; the lawmakers should be smart enough, which they aren't, to allow for identical make/models. e.g. S&W model 13, 19, 65, 66. Pretty much all the exact same gun except blue vs stainless steel; adjustable sites vs fixed sites. But unfortunately, the lawmakers aren't smart enough to take the word of even their own expert. Instead, they WANT a company to spend a lot of money to test guns. This way they either make money or they have less available guns in the state. Which is probably what they really want; no guns.
 
Threads like these make me appreciate Wyoming. Getting a gun here is like buying a gallon of milk. Plus, my University just denied William Ayers the right to speak here. All things considered, we're not too shabby a state.
 
How in the heck did Massachusetts go from being the State where we first opened fire on the British to the State that so severely and irrationally limits gun rights of its citizens???

Maybe the same thing that made England go from the Nation that gave the world the Magna Carta and the first Bill of Rights to being a Nanny State extraordinaire that routinely tramples on its citizens' rights.

In both cases, the people who believed in freedom and thought it was worth dying to protect everyone's freedom were the same people who had the pioneering spirit and left for other places. What was lost from England, (and from most of Europe) over the past 100 years was the critical mass of people who not only love freedom, but outright demand it. Same with Massachusetts. Those people moved to Texas 100 years ago.
 
Funny when a thread like this shows up from a fellow gun enthusiasts living in
Mass or Cali, all the idiotic commets pop up..glad I live here, glad I moved away from Ca, glad I don't live there, etc.
Quite ignorant behavior if you ask me.
 
Not ignorant at all.
The firearms laws in MA and CA are not just a little more stringent than the entire rest of the country, they are totally out of line. So, for many of us, it is completely rational to sit here and wonder in amazement at why any American would be willing to live in either California or Massachusetts.

All I can say is
Thank GOD for Pennsylvania
 
How are you people asking the Mass guy to vote out the lefties, don't you realize he is an endangered species in Mass? :D Good luck with that one.
 
Not ignorant at all.
The firearms laws in MA and CA are not just a little more stringent than the entire rest of the country, they are totally out of line. So, for many of us, it is completely rational to sit here and wonder in amazement at why any American would be willing to live in either California or Massachusetts.

All I can say is
Thank GOD for Pennsylvania
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Why willing to live in CA? When you are spending 6 months out of the year buried in your basement from the weather, people in CA are going to the beach and riding their motorbikes in tshirt..and that's just an example.
"Everything and everywhere" have their pros and cons.
Stop being an ignorant.
 
Ignorant in what sense of the word, flatovercrest? By definition, ignorant means not knowing something, or speaking in ignorance of the facts. We are commenting on the gun laws, which we know fairly well. Also, it's not possible to be "an ignorant" as you called another poster. Ignorant is not a noun. Ignoramus is what you were going for. In either case, name calling seems unwarranted.

At no time did anyone claim that California or Massachusetts had no redeeming qualities. When did anyone here decry beaches, or pleasant weather? For us, though, those things are not worth the Second Amendment restriction.

As for spending 6 months in the basement, to hell with that my friend! Wyoming is snow a good majority of the year, and we tear that powder up with skiing, snowshoeing, snowboarding, snow machining, etc.

All we are doing is expressing our thankfulness that OUR home states so diligently defend our right to keep and bear arms. We are expressing our opinions, and I would argue not doing so "ignorantly" This is, after all, a forum for ideas, isn't it?
 
Yea, I love Wyoming. I went shooting last weekend, and have gone shooting at least 2 weekends a month. And when the snow is here, skiing, boarding, etc... is a lot of fun. And when those in California have to plan for weekend trips to go find nature, we simply open up our front door. I live in the "CAPITAL" city, which also happens to be the "LARGEST" city; population about 52,000 people. Not bad. Plus, I'm an hour away from Denver if I want an urban city and it's benefits. Western wyoming isn't far from larger cities like Salt Lake.

I was born/raised in New Jersey and the New York City area. I lived in California; San Juan Capistrano. Yes, there are some redeeming qualities. But I won't take their economics, laws, or politics. No thank you. And as been mentioned, there is no ignorance here. We are quite educated in the laws. Having a law about which guns you can and can't have is a stupid law. It goes against all fabric of the constitution that state's in the 2nd amendment "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED". Well, such stupid laws are infringing. They are not constitutional. And the ONLY reason such laws exist, are because "The People" allow it. So there are a lot of reasons why I'm glad I no longer live in such places. Hell, in new jersey, you're not even allowed to pump your own gas. At least you still couldn't the last time I was there. Of course, they Bull Shiite you and tell you it's because of the environment, because people spill gasoline by overfilling. That is B.S. The truth is, labor unions are powerful and push such laws to maintain their membership and control over employment and limit capitalism. No, ignorance is not the issue.
 
for many of us, it is completely rational to sit here and wonder in amazement at why any American would be willing to live in either California or Massachusetts.
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Well for one I was born in Massachusetts, and I am certainly not going to pack up and move just because there is a certain handgun I cannot buy. I have my Class A license large capacity and license to conceal and luckily for me I happen to prefer revolvers so there is no shortage of Smith and Wessons and Rugers. Yes I would like to have a wider variety of semi-auto pistols to choose from but it really is not the end of the world.
 
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christcorp! I didn't even realize you were a fellow Wyomingite. We are rare on the internet! I am about fifty miles from you at UWyo.
 
Yea, I realized that when you mentioned the school canceling Ayers visiting. (excellent decision). Yes, we are rare. But what a beautiful place to live. "Powder River, Let er buck".
 
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