Mass Shooting In Mass.

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it actually wasn't the Swat team that arrested him.....one of the first police officers on the scene happened to be a member of the SWAT team but he was working a detail nearby. By the looks of what I saw on the local news, the SWAT team was there but well after the arrest had been made.
 
McDermott was sitting in the lobby when law enforcement officers arrived. He was armed and had to be subdued, McEvoy said.
The Wakefield police were able to subdue Mr.
McDermott, wrestle him to the ground. Place him in custody.

How did the police manage to subdue an irritated, heavily armed man without firing a shot? They couldn't, unless: One, he wasn't armed at the time, or Two, they used some sort of alternative weapon (Baton, OC, Taser, Non-lethal) which they would use only if he were unarmed......
 
Yeah, but his neighbors said they never saw any weapons in his apartment....
http://www.foxnews.com/national/122700/shooting.sml

Kevin Forzese, who lived upstairs from McDermott in Haverhill, on the other hand, was surprised by McDermott's apparent motive. He said the suspect had never mentioned money problems. He also said McDermott had mentioned that he collected antique guns, but he had never seen any weapons in McDermott's apartment.

One of my questions is...

He was there for at least an hour before he started shooting...so when did he leave to get the weapons? Or if they were already there, how did no one notice them sitting in his workspace?

The prosecuting attorney said ammunition and a rifle mounted with sniper sights were found at his work station at the office, and that bomb-making materials were later found at the apartment where he lived by himself.

Like I said...something fishy here.
 
Considering that this guy worked for a web firm, i wonder if his bookmark file will become common knowledge...


The radio report i heard said he spent five unapposed minutes shooting people.

dZ
 
Bomb making material...

Your standard household cleaners, twine, boxes, just about anything... Yup, this guy was a real terrorist... :rolleyes:
 
This just in from Yahoo news...

"Shotgun shells and ammunition for the semiautomatic revolver were also found in the bag."

Unbelievable reporting. I work about 15-20 minutes from Wakefield and was in awe when I heard about it.
I've been to Wakefield many times and know where the building is. I feel for the families of the victims. One that stands out is a fellow about my age with a newborn who lost his wife. Absolutely horrible. I have a feeling that these people will be exploited to the fullest by many in our state government. If only someone had been legally carrying at the time.

I'm scared to let me wife go off to work at her high tech company around the holidays while their stock is in bad shape. Unfortunately pro self defense organizations need to contact these people because you know the gun grabbers are already leaving messages...
 
'semiautomatic revolver'? 'sniper scope'? The press is so consistent. Consistently dense.

Why don't they simply refer to themselves as propagandists? This facade of 'journalism' is just silly.

Regards from AZ
 
Pearl MS Shooting INfo

Dangus, here's the URL: http://www.infomagic.net/liberty/vs000924.htm

And here's the relevant info:

"In the school shooting in Pearl, Miss.," Dr. Lott replies, "the assistant principal had formerly carried a gun to school. When the 1995 ("Gun-Free School Zones") law passed, he took to locking his gun in his car and parking it at least a quarter-mile away from the school, in order to obey the law. When that shooting incident started he ran to his car, unlocked it, got his gun, ran back, disarmed the shooter and held him on the ground for five minutes until the police arrived.

"There were more than 700 newspaper stories catalogued on that incident. Only 19 mentioned the assistant principal in any way, and only nine mentioned that he had a gun."


Only NINE out of 700 newspaper stories about the Pearl, MS school shooting reported the principal's use of a gun to stop the massacre. No wonder you never heard about it.
 
My prayers and sympathy are for the families of the deceased.

I think Al Mondraco is right, we have to stand our ground, but beyond that, the more I think about the problems in this country the more I realize our problems are spiritual in nature and will require spiritual answers. Until we fix the spirit in this country it won't matter if every law abiding citizen carried a weapon, or we enact ten thousand more laws, some one will take it out on innocent people (as a case in point guns would not have saved you from the Oklahoma city bombing--and neither would any law have). When everyone's opinion is given equal value no one is left with the moral authority to say something is wrong. When we lose the common point of reference for determining our values we are on thin ice. This is what the liberal left wants to destroy, that common point of reference. It's the only thing those tolerant people won't tolerate--facing up to them and telling them that they are wrong--to a person with no absolute values there is only one virtue--tolerate everything--I just wish they would tolerate my right to bear arms--amongst other things.
 
Let's not carried away, as some are, with this being a PLOT
because of partial reports. The guy also had 3 quarts of nitric acid or 3 gallons - can't remember.

Just because you support the RKBA, let's not make a martyr or an AGENT of conspiracy. He will turn out to be a fairly standard but horrible workplace shooter.
 
I'm sure that guy really needed a "sniper scope" so he could get a real bead on those people he shot at POINT BLANK RANGE!
 
Don't get me wrong, I don't think this was some kind of "vast government conspiricy".

I'm just saying that there seems to be more to this than they're letting out....of course, that's always the case, isn't it?

Some of what we're hearing (besides the reports of a .460 magnum semi-auto bolt action rifle with a sniper scope) just doesn't add up.

I think the local LE might have known about this guy, possibly even BATF had their eye on him. THEY sure showed up fast, didn't they?
 
Fellow TFL'rs, run a search on the correlation between drugs like Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, and the like, and their effect on some people with regards to suicide and homicide. You will find some studies that demonstrate the WIDE mood swings these drugs can create. These studies are not widely spread because drug companies make multi-billion dollar sales of these drugs every year, and they contribute heavily to both political parties and their candidates.

This guy was on a psychiatric drug, probably one of the above. I find it to be no coincidence that kids recently began shooting up our schools right about the time we started filling them full of this "kiddie crack".

Another interesting note...Can anyone guess the name of the first Federal agency to cover these types of drugs on their prescription plan?

Hint: Going Postal.
 
Details from the massacre.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_regional/line12282000.htm

Slaughter's deadly details
by Jose Martinez
Thursday, December 28, 2000



The following is a probable account of the chilling actions of accused gunman Michael McDermott as compiled from police reports, witness statements and prosecutors:

Nothing seemed amiss Tuesday morning when Michael McDermott, the hulking but friendly computer programmer now accused of executing seven colleagues, showed up for work at Edgewater Technology Inc. in Wakefield.

He joked with some co-workers. It was the day after Christmas, after all, and they chatted about the holidays.

Then, about 11:10 a.m., the 42-year-old former Navy submariner unsheathed two guns from soft-sided cases at his desk and made his way to the first-floor reception area of the renovated factory dubbed Harvard Mills.

``Hey,'' one man called out from a nearby office, ``where are you going with that?'' McDermott replied only, ``I have to go to human resources.''

Then he opened fire. Over the next seven to eight minutes, McDermott methodically hunted down seven people, firing 37 rounds from a semiautomatic AK-47 and several more from a pump action 12-gauge shotgun. He reloaded several times and said nothing.

``There was very little, if any, missed shots,'' Middlesex County Assistant District Attorney Thomas O'Reilly said at McDermott's arraignment in Malden District Court. ``Most of the wounds were through and through, passing through the victims' bodies.''

The three men and four women all were shot several times and at close range. Some of the victims died at their workstations, where nameplates clearly identified them, sources said.

``Here you are in an office building in Anytown USA and here you have people who are dead, lying at their desks or sitting in front of a computer,'' one source said. ``It was pretty gruesome. Most people were shot more than once. Their injuries were pretty severe.''

First, O'Reilly said, McDermott shot receptionist Janice Hagerty, who fell to the floor behind the desk where she had been standing. Then he lowered his sights toward a fleeing Cheryl Troy, the company's vice president of human resources. She was shot in the back and the back of the head.

The gunman stalked about 40 yards down the corridor of exposed brick into the human resources area of tan cubicles and accompanying blue cabinets with air ducts painted red across the ceiling.

It was there that McDermott fired the AK-47 repeatedly and with precision, laying out Craig Wood beneath his desk at his cubicle. Jennifer Bragg Capobianco was still seated in front of her computer when the bullets struck her in the back of the head. She slumped over the keyboard.

McDermott then switched to the 12-gauge shotgun, blasting Louis Javelle in the face as he stood by the copying machine.

By this time employees were running for their lives and three workers barricaded themselves in the accounting office at the end of the hallway, locking the door behind them. The two women and one man hid under separate desks.

But with the 12-gauge shotgun, McDermott ``blew the door off and the door handle off the accounting office,'' O'Reilly said.

Once inside, McDermott approached one desk and shot Paul Marceau three times in the chest as he tried to crawl away backward. Then he reloaded and found Rose Manfredi beneath another desk. McDermott shot her twice in the legs with the shotgun before delivering a fatal gun blast to her head.

But he never found the second woman, who had ``managed to survive by draping the leather coat she was wearing around the chair at the desk where she was hiding and crouching behind her jacket,'' according to a police report.

McDermott then walked back to the lobby, placed the rifle and shotgun on the floor and sat.

By 11:14 a.m., the first of 30 to 40 911 calls summoned Wakefield police to Harvard Mills. Officers surrounded the building before a team of three - Detective Richard Cass, Sgt. William McGarry and officer George Barry - entered the front door.

In the lobby, the officers could see the bodies of Hagerty and Troy to one side and a now-passive McDermott seated in a chair with his hands draped on the armrests but his guns still within reach on the floor.

The trio handcuffed McDermott and sat him back in the chair. The officers found a loaded .32-caliber pistol stuffed into the front right pocket of McDermott's jeans.

Other officers entered the building and Sgt. George Thistle asked McDermott to lift his booted feet while other officers secured the rifle and shotgun.

On the couch next to McDermott's chair, officers found a duffel bag with four 30-round magazines, boxes of ammunition and more shotgun shells. They also found McDermott's coat.

McDermott spoke only once, police said. ``I don't speak German,'' he told them. At the Wakefield Police Department, McDermott declined making a phone call.

A search of McDermott's cubicle turned up the gun bags under his desk, shotgun shells in the waste basket and a fourth gun - a massive .460 Magnum bolt-action hunting rifle with a scope - in the upright locker along with four boxes of 4-inch long shells.

A regional SWAT team searched all three Harvard Mills buildings for additional victims and any other possible shooters as dozens of workers huddled in the rectory of St. Joseph's Church across Albion Street.
 
"Police track guns" or "How often in one story can we print incorrect information?&qu

http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/363/metro/Police_try_to_track_how_arsenal_was_acquired+.shtml

Police try to track how arsenal was acquired

By David Abel, Globe Staff, 12/28/2000


he .32-caliber handgun dates back to around World War II. The .40-caliber semiautomatic rifle with a sniper scope stashed in his locker and the Chinese-made AK-47 are more modern. And the 12-gauge pump-action shotgun appears to be the most recently made and could have been purchased off the shelf of a gun store anytime in the past few years.


The varying ages of the weapons police say Michael M. McDermott allegedly used to slay seven colleagues could hamper efforts to discover how the 42-year-old software tester amassed such a deadly cache.


Still, with help from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, police hope to determine within the next few days how McDermott came to possess weapons prosecutors believe he was not permitted to carry.


''We're doing our best to track the movement of the weapons, using all the identifying information on the firearms, the make, model, serial number, and information on the suspect,'' said Steve Raber, assistant special agent in charge of the ATF's Boston division. ''But some of these weapons are old. Our success depends on contacts with gunmakers.''


Initial searches of computer databases in Washington yesterday revealed nothing conclusive, Raber said. Agents are trying to contact the weapons' manufacturers, which they hope will lead them to the distributors, retail outlets, and to the ultimate buyers.


''If McDermott wasn't the one who bought the gun, we'll find out who did and how they disposed of it,'' Raber said.


Massachusetts now has one of the nation's toughest gun control laws. It is not clear, however, whether the weapons were obtained before those laws were enacted or the buyer illegally purchased them.


McDermott might have bought the guns from one of about 500 dealers in Massachusetts, police say, but he also might have inherited some of them, bought them from friends, in another state, on the Internet, or on the black market.


The heavyset man obtained a firearms identification card in Rockland in April 1989, Rockland police said. That card would have allowed McDermott to purchase the shotgun, but it would not have allowed him to buy the handgun or assault rifle.


A 1998 state gun control law, which prohibited the sale of all recently manufactured assault weapons, required him to renew the license in 1999. Had he done so, he would have likely been able to acquire all the weapons legally, but he could possess them only under severe restrictions.


Police from Weymouth to Haverhill, where McDermott lived after moving from an apartment in Rockland, said they had no knowledge that he renewed the permit. However, the Globe reported yesterday that police in Weymouth, where McDermott also had lived, issued a Class B firearms license to a Michael McDermott with a slightly different birth date.


If it is the same man, the license would have allowed McDermott to legally purchase a semiautomatic rifle. Despite the state's 1998 gun control law, McDermott could also have purchased an older AK-47 with that permit. Police have not determined the age of the weapon.


''The bottom line is how ever he got it, he was in illegal possession of it,'' said Lee Police Chief Ronald Glidden, who heads the state's Gun Control Advisory Board. ''You can't carry these weapons in public unless they're unloaded and in a case. They have to be specially located in your car.''


While prosecutors and police hunt for how McDermott obtained the weapons, gun control advocates are decrying the fact that the law still allows some assault rifles to be bought in this state. Some lawmakers are already calling for tougher restrictions.


State Senator Cheryl A. Jacques, the Needham Democrat who sponsored the assault weapons ban, yesterday suggested the killings could have been avoided had the House gone along with the Senate's call for a tougher gun law. The Senate would have banned all assault weapons, regardless of their manufacturing date.


Jacques said the House's action came after heavy lobbying by the Gun Owners Action League. She said she will file legislation in the next few days to reinstate the total ban, but added that the gun lobby is trying to gut the law even further.


A spokesman for the Gun Owners Action League lamented that the tragedy had become a public debate on gun control. Governor Paul Cellucci, who supported the House version of the 1998 law, cast doubt on efforts to tighten current laws.


''I don't know if you can get any tougher, particularly given what other states are doing and the ability of people to go to different states,'' Cellucci said.


The governor also called for reinstatement of capital punishment, but the newly elected House membership appears to have a majority of death penalty foes.
 
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