Many Democrats want America to fail in Iraq

Mickael Reagan identifies one of the many problems with Democrats, namely that due to their unbridled hatred of George W. Bush, a large portion of Democrats want America to fail in Iraq.

That used to be called treason.


Democrats Behave Like Sunni Insurgents

by Michael Reagan

I've been wondering why there is something familiar about the behavior of the Sunni insurgency in Iraq, and suddenly it dawned on me that we have our own similar insurgency right here at home -- it is called the Democrat Party.

Think about it. Both are operating under the same motivation -- an unrequited lust for lost power. And both will do just about anything to retrieve it.

Remember, under Saddam Hussein's long rule, his fellow Sunnis -- a distinct minority in a nation with a vast Shiite majority -- were the kings of the hill -- and incredibly cruel monarchs to boot.

Saddam may have ordered the atrocities, but it was the Sunnis who carried them out, torturing, beheading and otherwise brutalizing the Shia and the Kurds and looting the nation's treasure.

They were very well compensated for their services -- and since being ousted by the U.S. invasion and the deposing of their benefactor they have been unable to accept their current powerlessness. They are, as the liberals like to say, "in denial." They just can't live with their loss of authority and act as if they can somehow regain what they lost by mounting an insurgency against the new Iraqi government.

It's a case of "anything goes," as demonstrated by their recent idol, the late Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. Killing their fellow Iraqis -- including women and children -- by the hundreds, destroying the infrastructure, and depriving their fellow Iraqis of electricity, water and income from oil are all acceptable methods of expressing their lust for power.

What it all comes down to is a willingness to tear down their own house if they can't assert absolute ownership of the premises. It's what is known as a "rule or ruin" strategy.

Here in America we have a similar situation -- a political party that for years dominated Capitol Hill. They ruled the roost for so long that they began to believe they had some divine right to control the House and Senate.

They got to run the committees, with senior members reveling in the title "Mr. Chairman" with all the perks that went with the title. Only they were allowed to introduce legislation or hire committee staff -- the minority had to go to them, hat in hand, to get even a tiny minority staff. Thankfully, they weren't able to torture or behead the Republican minority at will, but they never let it be forgotten that they were in charge and if Republicans wanted the key to the men's room they’d have to bow and scrape to get it.

Like the Sunni insurgency in Iraq, the Democrats cannot accept their minority status, even though when the GOP took over Newt Gingrich refused to impose the kind of absolute, anti-minority rule his party suffered under the Democrats. They were treated as colleagues, not serfs whose presence was to be barely tolerated. Since then, the Democrats have shown not one whit of gratitude.

Like the Sunni insurgency, the national Democrat Party and its congressional contingent has demonstrated time and again that they will willingly sacrifice the welfare and security of the American people to get their way.

As Michael Barone has written: "It comes down to this: A substantial part of the Democratic Party, some of its politicians and many of its loudest supporters do not want America to succeed in Iraq. So vitriolic and all-consuming is their hatred for George W. Bush that they skip right over the worthy goals we have been, with some considerable success, seeking there -- a democratic government, with guaranteed liberties for all, a vibrant free economy, respect for women -- and call this a war for oil, or for Halliburton.

"Successes are discounted, setbacks are trumpeted, the level of American casualties is treated as if it were comparable to those in Vietnam or World War II. Allegations of American misdeeds are repeated over and over; the work of reconstruction and aid of American military personnel and civilians is ignored."

In the end, all that matters to them is regaining the power the American people took from them in 1994, and, thank God, have kept it out of their hands ever since.
Source: http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=15559
 
A substantial part of the Democratic Party, some of its politicians and many of its loudest supporters do not want America to succeed in Iraq.
Can this guy prove what he's claiming?

Can he provide examples of how the evil Democrats oppressed the noble Republicans in committees?
 
One good example is MSN, they ran a headline this morning. They sound pretty happy that saddam has ended his hunger strike. No word on our marines yet though. Its the forth day the liberal media has been fretting over their beloved saddam.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13495887/

Saddam ends hunger strike after missing lunch
Ex-Iraqi leader refuses one meal to protest his lawyer's slaying by gunmen

I don't see any elation in the headline, what about the article?

BAGHDAD - Saddam Hussein ended a brief hunger strike after missing just one meal in his U.S.-run prison, a U.S. military spokesman said on Friday.

The former Iraqi leader had refused lunch on Thursday in protest at the killing of one of his lawyers by gunmen, but the spokesman said he ate his evening meal.

Former Saddam aides being held in the same prison had refused to eat three meals since Wednesday evening but ended their fast with the ex-president.

“They all took their dinner meal,” the spokesman told Reuters.

Saddam is on trial for crimes against humanity for his role in the 1982 killing of 148 Shiites in Dujail. His lead counsel, Khalil al-Dulaimi, has blamed pro-government Shiite militias for the murder of his deputy Khamis al-Obaidi on Wednesday.

Oooooh yeah, they seem real thrilled. See how they're applauding Saddam for his perseverance? See how they're extolling the virtues of the brave defendants? Notice the undulating admiration put forth on behalf of all liberals in throes of ecstasy over that poor, poor man being allowed his meager sustenance?


Or maybe you're just pissed that they didn't write "That rat bastard decided to eat again, let's chop his head off now!" :confused:
Besides, the first post and my reply was referring to the Democratic Party, not the socialist liberal tree hugging hippy media you hate so much.

Now I wouldn't be surprised if many Democrats wanted a failure in Iraq...wouldn't surprise me at all. But it'd be nice to see something that supports that besides a difference of opinion in how the war is being handled. I don't recall hearing any Democrat say "We need to lose more troops and encourage terrorism!"
 
RED, I have been to three of my accounts since 5AM, and none of all the different Americans I talk to each day thoughout the week would even blink if they cut Saddams head off, no one cares. BUT, I have had a fw good folks comment about what they are doing as far as our men go.

I don't even see why MSN is shoving saddam in our faces to begin with, he's meaningless, over, done with and soon dead.

The liberal media are the only ones in America moorning the loss of Zarquawi and the trial of saddam.
 
The liberal media are the only ones in America moorning the loss of Zarquawi and the trial of saddam.

carbiner, you never cease to amaze. You make outlandish, insulting claims, yet offer no evidence. You are asked to provide evidence, yet continually refuse to do so. You are confronted with evidence that disproves your point, yet refuse to acknowledge it.

You would have been dismissed as a troll long ago. The amazing part is that you weren't.

And if anybody thinks I'm being unduly hostile to carbiner, let's see him provide some definite evidence that the 'liberal' media actually is "moorning" the death of Zarqawi and the trial of Hussein. Seriously, I'd like to see the evidence of that. I'm waiting, though my patience has worn quite thin with this.

Cards on the table, carbiner ... your bluff is being called yet again.
 
So leif you dont like my flavor of speech and political standing, so hush me up?

If can't take a brisk jab on occason, get outa the ring.

Im not attackig any one individual on this forum for theirs like you do to me.

So BACK OFF, or take it up with a mod:mad:

Infact, MODERATORS or STAFF? Lets clear up leifs problem.
 
I don't see how they're fawning over Saddam. Is it that they aren't in lockstep with Newsmax that makes them godless america hating scum?

By the way, when I make statements, I back them up when called on it. Being asked to do just that is not a means of bullying someone into silence unless that person would only have silence to fall back on in the first place.

I'm sorry you can't seem to give others the same courtesy.
 
carbiner, go right ahead, take it up with anybody you like.

While we're waiting, do you want to post any evidence for your claims? I'll refrain from further comment within this thread until you post some evidence or I'm instructed otherwise.
 
RED, I have been to three of my accounts since 5AM, and none of all the different Americans I talk to each day thoughout the week would even blink if they cut Saddams head off, no one cares. BUT, I have had a fw good folks comment about what they are doing as far as our men go.

I don't even see why MSN is shoving saddam in our faces to begin with, he's meaningless, over, done with and soon dead.

The liberal media are the only ones in America moorning the loss of Zarquawi and the trial of saddam.
seriously?

So it went from MSN being happy that Saddam ended his hunger strike to just shoving him down our throats because you think it's not worthy of being news. Because a story on Fox News front page about Lance Armstrong doping is far more newsworthy than the trail of the man that our President used as justification for starting a war.

wow

edit: mourning the loss of zarquawi? can ya provide some examples?

So leif you dont like my flavor of speech and political standing, so hush me up?
it's not about the flavor of your speech, it's the occassional lack of substance that gets me asking questions
 
Leif the funny thing here is the fact that your the only one throwing a tiff over comments about the liberal media.

heist, I answer people who can present a question in a mature and calm manner. Leif has accused other members on this forum as uneducated, mean, stupid, not useing reasonable thinking and on and on.

Further more, I am not stating a fact, its an opinion, if your feeling a little too sensitive about peoples opinions as far as the media goes then maybe you should ignore them.

More and more Americans are calling the liberal media establishment out into the open everyday, and see all the BS.

I would say just get over it, theres new media moving into town and its a big hit with America. Yes, the leftwing media is Anti-American.
 
Further more, I am not stating a fact, its an opinion, if your feeling a little too sensitive about peoples opinions as far as the media goes then maybe you should ignore them.
The funny thing about opinions is that while everyone is allowed to have them, no one's going to take them seriously if they're not backed up with reason. :p


like the original post, I just wanted someone to provide examples of how the Democratic Party wants America to fail :o
 
red, leif sure takes me seriously. Heck he thinks im a troll.

I see opinions on this forum I don't like too, if they bother me that much, I just walk away, usualy.

I have to say I agree with the thread starter here. The elite media shows a cold coloring of Americas mission in Iraq and they sneak that color into their so-called news.

On top of that, they pretend they only opine in their opinion section:rolleyes:

Sad thing is, they never have to back up their baloney.
 
heist, I think it has more to do with the rightwing bite towords the media I display. Don't take it so personal.

Lets stick to the thread topic.

Again I agree, The left, and the leftwing media turn a cold shoulder to Americas war on terrorism.
 
So by this logic, doesn't that mean that the Republicans wanted us to lose in Serbia? :rolleyes:
The dems don't *want* us to lose, they want to pin the fact that we're already losing on the Republicans.
The Republicans, OTOH, want to pretend that everything's peachy. Which party really wants us to lose the war? Neither. But neither is willing to invest the political capital required to win it either, so I guess that amounts to the same thing.
 
Goslash27 said:
The dems don't *want* us to lose, they want to pin the fact that we're already losing on the Republicans.

Can you back this statement up with any facts or did you just pull that out of your --- UHH backpocket.:D
 
What facts might you need? Back up for a second....what do you think this war is about? Is it about combatting terrorism or building a stable democracy in the Middle East? Or maybe just getting rid of Saddam?
Whichever one you choose, there are objectives that need to be met and we're not meeting them. Except for that last one. We definitely deposed Saddam. Now who's gonna replace him?
 
I want to know why you think we are "losing" the war against terrorists and why you think we're not helping get a stable democracy built in Iraq. Has it not been made clear that this is a work in progress? Do you not consider the death of Al-Zarqawi a step in the "winning" direction on the war on terror?
 
Contender,
Where to start....
I want to know why you think we are "losing" the war against terrorists....
I suppose the straight answer is that we're not fighting a war against terrorists, but I'll lay it all out.
The way things are going in Iraq right now, every day sees the terrorists' ranks and abilities increasing while ours are decreasing. Every time we torture detainees, inadvertently (or intentionally) kill and injure noncombatants it sets the opinion of the average guy on the streets more in sympathy with the terrorists and less in support of our cause. Or at the very least, it's polarizing people who didn't want to get involved and forcing them into the enemy camp.
I might also add that they just busted up a terrorist plot in Florida 2 days ago to attack the Sears Tower. Florida! And you know what, those terrorists weren't Iraqi, they were Americans. Heck, they weren't even Arab or Muslim!
What many folks can't seem to grasp is that the war against terrorism is a war against extremism and barbarism itself, not against a religion, a nationality, or a race. And it can be won. But not the way we're trying to win it. It's won by alienating the terrorists from their base; making people see them for what they are and refusing to help. Attacking other nations (even malignant ones like Iraq) without *provable* justification makes us seem like the extremists instead of them. It's counterproductive.
I'll have you prove it for me: How many Iraqis do we have to kill in order to win the war on terror? Hint: Ask Dick Cheney. He just admitted that if we ever leave Iraq, win or lose, the terrorists will follow us home. That's HIS words.

and why you think we're not helping get a stable democracy built in Iraq.
Because we have done nothing to counteract the religious divisions in that region. In fact, we've done something worse than nothing by handing it over to the Shi'ites. Every country in the region has a vested interest in seeing Iraq fail and it's going to unless we do something about that.
As it stands now, we're looking at a Shi'a theocracy spanning from Syria through Iran with nuclear weapons and a religious hatred for all things Western. IOW, you haven't seen the half of how bad things are going to get. We have singlehandedly created our own worst enemy in order to replace a minor irritant. As much of a PITA as Saddam was, at least Iraq *used to be* a Sunni-controlled buffer state. Not anymore.
Democracy? I give it 3 years.

Do you not consider the death of Al-Zarqawi a step in the "winning" direction on the war on terror?
No.
Zarqaui was replaced before his body hit room temperature, just as I predicted on this very forum. Not that AlQaeda was ever a big factor in Iraq to begin with.
In fact, it can be argued that the death of Zarqaui was the death-blow....for *our* effort. He was the only man left that was dumb enough to unwittingly help us win the war. Bombing Syria and Jordan was a spectacularly harebrained move on his part. They're not all that boneheaded.
And more to the point you can never defeat terrorism by killing and capturing the leadership. It's literally like trying to chop the head off a hydra. Every blow you strike makes your enemy stronger because they don't need centralized leadership.

Think about it. Let go of all the emotion, stand back and take a look. This is a war that we dare not lose. Our opponent is vulnerable if we have the wit to exploit his weaknesses. Do you honestly think that this administration is doing what's necessary to win, or are they just making a big show of fighting?

Not that the Dems will do any better, mind you. Neither party is willing to bet it's authority for our security.
 
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