Man shoots himself at a Local Gun Range

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When my area's large sheriff's office converted to the Glock 21 .45acp in 2002, a sworn LE deputy had a AD with a Glock 21 within 2 weeks.
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That would be a negligent discharge, not accidental. ...unless the weapon failed. The weapon didn't fail, did it?
You can call it a lack of training, or an idiot operator. Either way, he pulled the trigger when he shouldn't have.

I also read in the late 1990s of a Pittsburgh PD officer known as the "world's strongest cop" who also shot himself with a Glock duty weapon. The sworn LE officer was on a qualification range & went to re-holster his Glock pistol when it discharged into the cop's upper leg.
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Some one had their finger on the trigger, when they shouldn't have.
Don't want to shoot yourself in the leg while re-holstering? Keep your finger off the trigger. :rolleyes:

Finally, I'm sure many TFLers recall the hapless "undercover" DEA who fired off a .40S&W round into his side as he lectured young kids in Orlando Florida.
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...finger on the trigger, when it shouldn't have been. :rolleyes:


None of those are the fault of the firearm.
ALL of those are the fault of the operator.
I HATE Glocks. They're over-hyped, undeservedly-popular, ugly, overpriced lumps of garbage, if you ask me. BUT, those negligent discharges were not the fault of the firearms. They were absolutely the fault of the operators.

If you don't like it, don't use it; but don't label a particular design as faulty, because the idiots behind the trigger don't know how to control themselves.
 
When it comes to Glocks" I agree with FrankenMauser. And, I agree that pointing a gun in the direction of ones chest and plulling the trigger is asinine and not the gun's fault.

On the other hand "Glocks" have a history of their own for being unforgiving. That's one of the reasons I sold mine many years ago and have stayed clear of the brand since.
 
When my area's large sheriff's office converted to the Glock 21 .45acp in 2002, a sworn LE deputy had a AD with a Glock 21 within 2 weeks.
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I think if you will take the time to research ND by police officers that there is a disproportionately large amount of them that occur with the changing over of platforms.

I also read in the late 1990s of a Pittsburgh PD officer known as the "world's strongest cop" who also shot himself with a Glock duty weapon. The sworn LE officer was on a qualification range & went to re-holster his Glock pistol when it discharged into the cop's upper leg.
Finally, I'm sure many TFLers recall the hapless "undercover" DEA who fired off a .40S&W round into his side as he lectured young kids in Orlando Florida.
This video is a www.youtube.com staple.
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Yes, there have been many NDs with Glocks. Shooting one's self in the leg while reholster used to be a lot more commonplace with cops as well, back when revolvers were the primary duty sidearm. Trying to holster your gun and your trigger finger while inside the trigger guard seems to be the issue.

The DEA agent you mentioed had a ND with a Glock, sure, but that was in no way the fault of the Glock and does not support your contention that it was a Glock issue. When you intentionally pull the trigger and the gun discharges because there is a round in the chamber, then the gun performed as designed. None of your purported safer guns would have prevent that incident.

Take the Navy SEAL incident. The failure was not on the part of the gun.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57353715/navy-seal-shoots-self-with-gun-believed-unloaded/

Then you get incidents like these...
http://www.policeone.com/police-her...idental-discharge-kills-Ga-probation-officer/

This is one of your old posts where one of your listed safer guns would have been no help...
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=424015&highlight=swat+friendly+fire

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69323

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100888&highlight=swat+friendly+fire

And then there is this classic horrific event where a Lubbock SWAT sniper, killed one fellow officer and injured another as officers were about to make entry on a home of a mentally distressed man, setting off the firing of literally hundreds of rounds by the entry teams into the house, wounding the occupant that later surrendered and who was then treated very badly by the cops as a cop killer until it was determined that the initial shot was fractricide. I can't find it anymore, but there used to be an audio recording of the radio traffic from that event. After all the firing subsided, one of the last calls on the recording was for somebody at the police station to bring more ammunition to the scene as officers had either run low or run out of ammo fighting the home's occupant who was balled up in a closet during the "fight."
http://lubbockonline.com/stories/071401/loc_071401040.shtml

In the 1970s, a Dallas Police officer shot a child in the head while trying to use scare tactics to get the kid to reveal information the cop thought he had. The gun was a revolver.

How about this incident...
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...n-safety-nra-church-s-communications-director
 
Pointing a 1911 at your chest and pulling the trigger is just as possible. All you have to do is forget to put the safety on and pull the grip safety with the same hand as you pull the trigger.

Same with a Sig, HK, XD/m, Beretta, or any revolver.

I've always thought that guns have a lot in common with cars. They are really easy to operate safely, but it takes a little instruction and practice to get it right. With both items, an inexperienced person can do a lot of damage.
 
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