V4Vendetta
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061208/ap_on_re_us/terror_arrest
Interesting that he chose a place to attack in a NON-CCW state
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Interesting that he chose a place to attack in a NON-CCW state
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Man arrested for trying to bomb a mall!
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He was not arrested for trying to blow up a mall. Why are you trying to sensationalize the story when it is already pretty sensational?
He was arrested while trying to procure the materials, hence no attempt was every made. What he was TRYING to do was to trade for the needed materials. He apparently had an accomplice, so this is a conspiracy. Is that not sensational enough?
He was arrested while trying to procure the materials, hence no attempt was every made. What he was TRYING to do was to trade for the needed materials. He apparently had an accomplice, so this is a conspiracy. Is that not sensational enough?
Actually, whether you and I agree that what he was doing would have blown up the mall or not, the charges reported on the radio today included "Attempting to destroy a structure" or words to that effect. If that report was accurate, then he's being charged with attempting to "blow up the mall."
perhaps he was simply born and raised there
heh so much for terrists only being foreign nationals..
for a jihadist he has pretty modest goals. rockford is a boring town, nothing really there. less exciting than the shooting at a metra station in chicago
glad they caught him
this guy isn't a terrorist, he's just a nutjob.Venison_Jerkey32
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Good thing I never go shopping Friday nights during the Christmas season. Forget bombs, it's the crowds that I hate.
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That depends on whether the guy was going to bomb the mall for political, religious, or social change reasons...or if he thought there were spirits living at the mall or off-world aliens landing at the mall.
Terrorism occurs when harm is brought to bear on non-military targets for social, political, or religious reasons and is usually done so in hopes of swaying the population to force the controlling powers (such as bombing the citizens of the US to get them to force the government to do something like pulling out of Iraq) to change behavior, or simply to sway public behavior.
So yes, you can have a lone terrorist trying to promote his views.
It's funny, but I've heard a lot of people outraged that the gov't won't call terrorists events that happen in the US terrorist events. A Muslim shoots up a synagouge or airport due to hatred of Jews and to make a political statement about Israel, and it's called a "senseless crime, but not terrorism." People get outraged, including here. Yet, when something occurs that has every earmark of being an attempted terrorist plot, it's called here of all places some random nutjob or, best of all, a minor incident the gov't is playing up.
I've become convinced that the gov't doesn't call these terrorist actions because the public doesn't want it to be terrorism, no matter what it really is. Either tell us it's just a crime, or don't tell us what is happening at all. We don't want to know about what is really occurring.
I've become convinced that the gov't doesn't call these terrorist actions because the public doesn't want it to be terrorism, no matter what it really is. Either tell us it's just a crime, or don't tell us what is happening at all. We don't want to know about what is really occurring.
you guys are misinterpreting my comment. I should clarify
Terrorists come in all shapes and sizes, lately many of them are Muslim flavored. Those are the folks we should be concerned with; Muslims that hijack planes, Christians that bomb abortion clinics, eco-nuts that attack oil rigs and PETA/ALF dingbats that break into medical labs to release diseased animals.
This guy? If I were a terrorist I wouldn't want to be associated with him. The guy gets caught trying to buy a few hand grenades to blow up a mall when half the people here probably know enough basic chemistry to make a much bigger kaboom with household items and maybe a trip to Radio Shack.
It was an act of terrorism, no doubt. But this guy's no terrorist; just another loser with nothing better to do that yet again fails to accomplish anything.
Terrorists come in all shapes and sizes, lately many of them are Muslim flavored. Those are the folks we should be concerned with; Muslims that hijack planes, Christians that bomb abortion clinics, eco-nuts that attack oil rigs and PETA/ALF dingbats that break into medical labs to release diseased animals.
This guy? If I were a terrorist I wouldn't want to be associated with him. The guy gets caught trying to buy a few hand grenades to blow up a mall when half the people here probably know enough basic chemistry to make a much bigger kaboom with household items and maybe a trip to Radio Shack.
It was an act of terrorism, no doubt. But this guy's no terrorist; just another loser with nothing better to do that yet again fails to accomplish anything.
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And some of us seem convinced that there is no threat of terrorism in the United States (or, for that matter, anywhere else); after all, the purported threat of terrorism is simply an excuse for President Bush to obtain oil and power, right?!?
So he acted as a terrorist acts, but he's not a terrorist? What would he have to do to be a terrorist? Successfully blow up the mall? Or would that just make him confused and misunderstood, but still not a terrorist?
So he acted as a terrorist acts, but he's not a terrorist? What would he have to do to be a terrorist? Successfully blow up the mall? Or would that just make him confused and misunderstood, but still not a terrorist?
I quoted exactly what you stated. Once again:
So he acted as a terrorist acts, but he is not a terrorist. That doesn't make any sense at all. He is not a terrorist because the government didn't allow him to actually blow up the mall? His premeditated act of producing a martyr video, contacting others to blow up the mall, and arranging to obtain the weapons to blow up the mall are insufficient to qualify him as a terrorist?
So we shouldn't worry about Muslim terrorists who "only" plan -- and act -- to blow up malls? Or who run over students on a college campus? That doesn't make any sense, either.
"Terrorists come in all shapes and sizes"
Well, that's nice and politically correct. Yes, in the recognition of diversity and tolerance, we all reconize terrorist diversity. So what? It doesn't change the fact that Muslim terrorists pose the greatest threat to our national security. Yes, I know. I'm not very politically correct. And I'm sorry in advance that you are "offended."
So he acted as a terrorist acts, but he is not a terrorist. That doesn't make any sense at all. He is not a terrorist because the government didn't allow him to actually blow up the mall? His premeditated act of producing a martyr video, contacting others to blow up the mall, and arranging to obtain the weapons to blow up the mall are insufficient to qualify him as a terrorist?
So we shouldn't worry about Muslim terrorists who "only" plan -- and act -- to blow up malls? Or who run over students on a college campus? That doesn't make any sense, either.
"Terrorists come in all shapes and sizes"
Well, that's nice and politically correct. Yes, in the recognition of diversity and tolerance, we all reconize terrorist diversity. So what? It doesn't change the fact that Muslim terrorists pose the greatest threat to our national security. Yes, I know. I'm not very politically correct. And I'm sorry in advance that you are "offended."
who the frak said I was offended?
what unqualifies him as a "terrist" in my eyes is his utter lack of competence. anyone with half a brain can blow up a mall. getting caught buying half assed means with which to do it are, to me, a clear sign that this guy's incapable of actually harming people. I'll save the label "terrorist" for those that are an actual thread, those that have the brains and balls to pull something off
not some midwest loser who can't use google to make TNT with 50 bucks at home depot
what unqualifies him as a "terrist" in my eyes is his utter lack of competence. anyone with half a brain can blow up a mall. getting caught buying half assed means with which to do it are, to me, a clear sign that this guy's incapable of actually harming people. I'll save the label "terrorist" for those that are an actual thread, those that have the brains and balls to pull something off
not some midwest loser who can't use google to make TNT with 50 bucks at home depot
The only thing that is apparent is that this guy wanted attention for himself.
I guess no one ever told him the first rule about fight club.
Thank god the .gov is out there telling me about every little incident in order to scare the crap out of me, god forbid thay did their job in silence and let me live my life in peace.
Will someone please hold my hand I am very afraid, can I give them more power over me now?
Ah, I understand. Since he wasn't successful at obtaining the weapons he wanted, and he wasn't successful at blowing anything up, he was not a terrorist. He was an unsuccessful idiot who didn't meet your "smart terrorist" standard. So one must successfully blow something up (and be sufficently smart) to be a terrorist. I can tell I've misjudged; he just wanted to harmlessly draw attention to himself.
He planned a terroristic act. He stated he desired to commit an act of terror as a Muslim waging jihad on the US. He contacted others to facilitate his planned act of terror. He took actions to acquire weapons to blow something up and kill (or at least scare the heck out of) a lot of civilians. You admit that he committed acts of terrorism, but he still is not a terrorist, because he didn't perform to the same standards of what a "real" terrorist would.
That is absurd. But I understand now. Or something.
He planned a terroristic act. He stated he desired to commit an act of terror as a Muslim waging jihad on the US. He contacted others to facilitate his planned act of terror. He took actions to acquire weapons to blow something up and kill (or at least scare the heck out of) a lot of civilians. You admit that he committed acts of terrorism, but he still is not a terrorist, because he didn't perform to the same standards of what a "real" terrorist would.
That is absurd. But I understand now. Or something.