MAKAROV: edify me please

kcub

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  1. Are they very reliable like most Russian firearms?
  2. What are the the best (Russian, East German, Bulgarian, Polish, etc.)?
  3. What's the current ammo situation with 9x18 ammo?
  4. Is there a model available in the USA with a short grip like the Walther PPK (not PP/PPK/S)?
  5. Are they accurate and do they have good sights (like a Walther)?
 
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Makarovs are a legendary work horse firearm. The Russian and East German hold the most value while each perform just as reliably. My personal favorite is the Bulgarian due to price and like I said same performance as the others. Ammo is pretty easy to get in my area, every shop seems to carry it. The polish p64 IMO is the closet you can get to a ppk in a Makarov. I believe the sights are set for 50 meters on the pistols and all are great accurate guns. I own a Russian and a Bulgarian and I prefer it over most of my pistols.
 
Makarov

1 - reliable? I have shot cases of ammo through mine and it has NEVER had a failure of any kind.
2 - the German guns have the rep as the best. My own gun is Russian.
3 - Do not know- I reload.
4 - Do not know - have not shot a Walther.
5 - accurate... Yes. I can keep them all on 25 yard NRA bullseye.
 
P-64's aren't Makarovs.

I have had four Maks, two Bulgarian, an East German, and a Russian commercial in .380 ACP for almost 20 years. They have ALL been 100% reliable, and accurate with cheap, steel case ammo.

The EG is the nicest finished, but command a premium due to collector status. The Bulgarians are almost as nice, and work just as well. These represent the best value. The Russian commercial guns are good too, but have an adjustable sight that some don't like.

If you are just looking for a gun in 9x18 Makarov caliber, there a Polish P-83's available for $200. I have two. They are excellent. No, they are NOT a Makarov.

Makarov ammo is widely available, and relatively inexpensive on line.
 
If the appeal to you is an inexpensive gun with inexpensive ammo, that ship has more or less sailed. 9x18 ammo is right around the cost of 9mm Luger, sometimes a little more. Cheap surplus ammo, at least from the usual suspects doesn't seem to be flowing in. The cost of the guns has risen as the availability has declined over the last few years. Not just the Makarov PM, but for many other common cheap guns chambered for the round, such as the CZ 82 and the various polish guns that used to be everywhere in the $100-$200 price range.
 
Are they very reliable like most Russian firearms?

yes
What are the the best (Russian, East German, Bulgarian, Polish, etc.)?

The esteem scale generally runs, from high to low, EG, Russian milsurp. Everything else below that. All good.

There is no polish Makarov.

What's the current ammo situation with 9x18 ammo?

Don't know
Is there a model available in the USA with a short grip like the Walther PPK (not PP/PPK/S)?

No. Nor, anywhere.

Are they accurate and do they have good sights (like a Walther)?

Yes, and no. Yes, they're accurate. Sights suck.
 
Good 9x18 ammo is readily available online. Locally, well that is hit or miss. I've got a Bulgarian Mak and a Polish P-64. Both great guns. Even though I do like mine, I may need to be selling off one or even both to fund another purchase though.
 
My EG Mak has shot a pile of ammo never complains and is always ready for more. When I purchased mine it appeared unfired and the fit and finish was as nice as any commercial production pistol you might purchase. The pistol seems to be indestructible in design and construction, of all the pistols I have in Mak caliber only the CZ 82 compares in shooting reliability, ease and accuracy.
 
There's no downside to a Makarov of any stripe.
I have the Bulgarian and it's been flawless with all sorts of commercial brass, steel, or copper-washed comblock ammo through it.

Can't speak to the P83. I hear that the czech P82s are great double stack pistols but sometimes have sear issues.
 
3 - The ammo is plentiful in my area, and in my experience, it was one of the only reasonably commonplace pistol cartridges that did NOT disappear from store shelves during the recent post-election buying panics.

5 - The sights come in two varieties, neither particularly good IMHO. Military guns and a handful of commercial guns came with a fixed, rounded front blade and drift-adjustable rear notch. These sights are about on par with most vintage (1960s and earlier) military pistol sights - durable and serviceable but smaller than most shooters would prefer. The remaining commercial guns came with a fully screw-adjustable rear sight and a taller, serrated front blade. While they sound good in theory, IMHO these sights suck quite badly for combat/CC use, as they are far too narrow for fast acquisition and the rear unit has a reputation for breaking off quite easily if the gun is dropped.

Just as an aside, the commercial Makarov was actually sold in a double-stack version, usually labeled IJ-70-18AH or -17AH. These accept a 12rd mag or an AWB 10rd mag, and curiously, standard single-stack Mak mags also work. However, I would recommend against one of these pistols, as (a) they have a kludgy and overly thick grip, negating one of the standard Mak's major advantages, its slimness; (b) AFAIK they all came with the aforementioned lousy adjustable sight; and (c) 10/12rd mags are reportedly quite hard to obtain and resultantly expensive because most pistols were sold with a single mag and the importers did not bring over many spares.
 
Mine is Russian commercial in 380. I bought it about 25 years ago for $150. It has never jammed. The accuracy is good. It is a heavyish steel workhorse. If you are worried about ammo, find one in 380. Mine is a great gun.
 
tallball said:
If you are worried about ammo, find one in 380.
Except that .380 all but vanished during Panicky Squirrel Rodeo I (2009-2010), while 9x18 didn't. I joked at the time about going to a LGS and seeing the handgun section fully stocked with 9x18 Makarov, .32 S&W Long, .38 S&W and 7.65 Parabellum. :rolleyes:

I'm just sayin'. :)

That said, one nifty feature of Maks is that the only part that's different between the .380 and 9x18 versions is the barrel; even the mags interchange. :cool:
 
Great little pistols regarding accuracy and reliability but very heavy for carrying every day. I love mine but tend to carry a polymer Ruger or Walther 9mm instead.
 
kcub said:
After Russia grabbed Crimea a year ago I wasnt sure if we put a stop to 9x18 ammo.
Good point, I'm not sure. However, my local Academy Sports stores still seem to have plenty of Russian "Monarch"-brand ammo, which is an Academy house brand I believe to be made by Barnaul.

Additionally, I have recently seen reasonably inexpensive Prvi Partizan (Serbia) and S&B (Czech Republic) brass-case 9x18 in stock locally. Also, although I've never looked closely at the 9x18 "Red Army Standard" ammo sold by Century Int'l, their rifle ammo is - ironically, considering the name - made in Romania. (I guess the name "Blue, Yellow and Red Army Standard" didn't sound snappy enough and/or didn't fit on the boxes. ;))
 
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