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MagSafe Ammo Any good?
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troy_mclure
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Nice to see the Hydrashock saved your life against a little Kitty Cat.
Today 10:36 AM
as diseased and nasty as that cat was it probably did.
as diseased and nasty as that cat was it probably did.
It's nice to know you weren't shooting it for fun or to just test your ammo.
I think it's pretty much worthless...
I had an opportunity last year to observe some gelatin testing of various "defensive" ammunition. Some of the brands tested included Corbon DPX and Pow'r Ball, Speer Gold Dot, Win. Ranger SXT, Rem. Golden Sabre, Fed. Hydra-shok and HST (the "new and improved" Hydra-shok), etc. Basically most of the big-name ammo.
The Magsafe stuff performed abysmally compared to everything else.
I had an opportunity last year to observe some gelatin testing of various "defensive" ammunition. Some of the brands tested included Corbon DPX and Pow'r Ball, Speer Gold Dot, Win. Ranger SXT, Rem. Golden Sabre, Fed. Hydra-shok and HST (the "new and improved" Hydra-shok), etc. Basically most of the big-name ammo.
The Magsafe stuff performed abysmally compared to everything else.
Years ago I loaded .38 Spl. Glasers in my house gun because I shared walls, and thought it might be a good idea. I don't any more. It has been a long time since I have believed the claims of either devastating stopping power or resistance to penetrating walls that are made of these types of loads.
This past year, a friend of mine got me some .357 Mag. Extreme Shock as a gag gift. I am embarrassed to admit that I actually loaded my HD gun with it for a brief time when I had absentmindedly shot through my stores of more prosaic ammunition. Truth be told, I kept my carry gun handy for that period, as I never really trusted it fully.
In retrospect, I think I employed it more or less because it just felt weird to have an empty house gun, and for the belly laugh my buddy got when I told him I was actually using the stuff.
The Box O' Truth tested similar designs from Glaser and Extreme Shock. Let's just say they performed "differently" than claimed.
This past year, a friend of mine got me some .357 Mag. Extreme Shock as a gag gift. I am embarrassed to admit that I actually loaded my HD gun with it for a brief time when I had absentmindedly shot through my stores of more prosaic ammunition. Truth be told, I kept my carry gun handy for that period, as I never really trusted it fully.
In retrospect, I think I employed it more or less because it just felt weird to have an empty house gun, and for the belly laugh my buddy got when I told him I was actually using the stuff.
The Box O' Truth tested similar designs from Glaser and Extreme Shock. Let's just say they performed "differently" than claimed.
rodwhaincamo
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Since my neighbors are down stream I am concerned about wall penetration. I was looking around on Midway and saw load 'em yourself shotshells. I'm considering this as a better alternative to "safety" slugs. I'm thinking of loading them up with #1 buck. Does anyone know what kind of spread I could expect @ 7 yds? This will be out of a 4" 44 Mag. After deer season I intend to create interior/exterior walls to test the safety slugs I have, as well as shotshells and bullets downloaded to Spl levels.
Unless you live in a building where any kind of overpenetration might kill an innocent bystander (a condo or apartment complex) I wouldn't bother with them. They are a lot of hype - if you hit anything but your target, the bullet will come apart and while some pieces will likely hit your adversary, they aren't going to be very effective (they are literally designed to be safe ammo - if you miss your intended target, they are supposed to become useless to avoid colateral damage).
I prever hydrashoks, gold dot or golden saber ammo for SD, even though half the time I have hard ball 45's in my carry pistol - I just have so much of it on hand. If someone comes in my house or endangers my family I truly hope stopping them doesn't mean they HAVE to die, but the odds will be heavily stacked against them if I have the premium stuff in.
I prever hydrashoks, gold dot or golden saber ammo for SD, even though half the time I have hard ball 45's in my carry pistol - I just have so much of it on hand. If someone comes in my house or endangers my family I truly hope stopping them doesn't mean they HAVE to die, but the odds will be heavily stacked against them if I have the premium stuff in.
Shawn Dodson
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Mossy500camo writes:
There are better choices. I’d choose .38 Special if available until you secure .357 Magnum. But if that’s all you can get your hands on then that’s what you’re stuck with.
zombieslayer writes:
The MagSafe SWAT load is the only cartridge I know of that was specifically designed to fragment in sheetrock. All other MagSafe cartridges do not fragment in sheetrock and their bullets will penetrate multiple walls and present as a deadly danger as any other non-prefragmented bullet. See http://magsafeonline.com/prices_specs.php
Lashlarue writes:
stephen426 writes:
zombieslayer writes:
I discussed the alleged “increased effectiveness” with Dr. Martin L. Fackler, who at the time was director of the Army’s Wound Ballistics Laboratory at the Presidio in San Francisco, and he helped me design a study to quantify “increased effectiveness” that I performed with my police department. I determined Black Talon had the potential to increase wounding effectiveness by about 4-5 percent. Therefore the sharp talons did not represent a quantum leap in wounding effectiveness. But any increase is welcome.
XDGunner writes:
A few years later it was discovered that the 9mm 127gr +P+ Ranger SXT cartridge could, under certain conditions, defeat level IIA soft body armor.
Black Talon was also branded as “Black Felon” ammo by black political activists.
BOTTOM LINE ABOUT GLASER/MAGSAFE - ANYONE WHO DESIRES REDUCED WALL PENETRATION IN THE EVENT OF AN ERRANT SHOT: GET A SHOTGUN AND LOAD IT TO FIRE THE FIRST ONE OR TWO SHOTS WITH BIRDSHOT, AND THEN THE REST BUCKSHOT.
Just about all that I can find that is available now is MagSafe Ammo. Any good?
There are better choices. I’d choose .38 Special if available until you secure .357 Magnum. But if that’s all you can get your hands on then that’s what you’re stuck with.
zombieslayer writes:
My advice for anyone who desires reduced wall penetration in the event of an errant shot – get a shotgun and load it with birdshot. A .410 shotgun delivers more pellets on target than any pre-fragmented handgun cartridge.My roommate and I are both heavily armed, and live on opposite sides of the huose, we have worked over scenarios and strategies, and for "safety" reasons, we load our primary beside pistols with frangible ammo. Never thought I'd see the day I gave much thought to over-penetration.
The MagSafe SWAT load is the only cartridge I know of that was specifically designed to fragment in sheetrock. All other MagSafe cartridges do not fragment in sheetrock and their bullets will penetrate multiple walls and present as a deadly danger as any other non-prefragmented bullet. See http://magsafeonline.com/prices_specs.php
Lashlarue writes:
Not unless the heart or a major blood vessel is severely damaged.I'm a believer in the Glaser blue,a fist sized hole 5" deep will cause almost instantaneous bleed out.
The FBI has never maintained “stats” on Glaser that I’m aware of.It's been more than ten years and FBI stats showed 100% with a limited number of actual shootings.
Glaser is not designed to fragment in sheet rock. Tests have confirmed that it does not reliable fragment when passing through sheetrock. One recent test, the results of which are similar to other test results - http://www.brassfetcher.com/A compa...g against Bare Gelatin and Interior Walls.pdfIn the case of a midnite intruder if you miss you wont accidently kill your next door neighbor.
I tested the .44 Magnum Glaser Blue using the water-filled cardboard milk carton test. None of the pellets or bullet fragments exited the first half-gallon milk carton. It made a tremendous splash and that was it.I had some for my Sks, but they were too much fun, a single shot fired into a 15 gallon pickle bucket filled with water and sealed with it's top,penetrated 3/16" plastic then literally exploded the bucket into 2 dozen pieces.The figures above indicate the glaser one of highest % stoppers.At $2-$3 per shot , it's not a plinking round.
stephen426 writes:
There is no evidence that rapid energy transfer is a reliable incapacitation mechanism – even when hunting human sized big game animals with centerfire rifle ammunition. I refer you to animal tests involving another ammo maker’s high energy ammunition (notice the lack of rapid incapacitation – the animals are capable of acting with volition): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8eKyKQPgt0The idea behind the Magsafes is rapid energy transfer.
zombieslayer writes:
Winchester voluntarily stopped offering Black Talon for sale to the general public in early 1994 as a result of two high profile mass shootings in which Black Talon ammunition was criminally misused: 1) the 101 California St. shooting in San Francisco, and 2) Long Island Rail Road shooting.Were winchester Black Talons taken off the market because of poor sales or were they "too effective".
I discussed the alleged “increased effectiveness” with Dr. Martin L. Fackler, who at the time was director of the Army’s Wound Ballistics Laboratory at the Presidio in San Francisco, and he helped me design a study to quantify “increased effectiveness” that I performed with my police department. I determined Black Talon had the potential to increase wounding effectiveness by about 4-5 percent. Therefore the sharp talons did not represent a quantum leap in wounding effectiveness. But any increase is welcome.
XDGunner writes:
The “armor piercing” rumors originated with the black color coding that the US military uses to identify armor piercing ammunition.The scared of their own shadow leftists were scared of it's name and labeled it's lubalox coating as teflon that was intended to defeat kevlar vests, they were dubbed "cop-killer" bullets.
A few years later it was discovered that the 9mm 127gr +P+ Ranger SXT cartridge could, under certain conditions, defeat level IIA soft body armor.
Black Talon was also branded as “Black Felon” ammo by black political activists.
BOTTOM LINE ABOUT GLASER/MAGSAFE - ANYONE WHO DESIRES REDUCED WALL PENETRATION IN THE EVENT OF AN ERRANT SHOT: GET A SHOTGUN AND LOAD IT TO FIRE THE FIRST ONE OR TWO SHOTS WITH BIRDSHOT, AND THEN THE REST BUCKSHOT.
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nefprotector
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WoW!
You might want to read these links:
http://www.firearmsid.com/Feature%20Articles/102000/JohannesburgTraumaUnit.htm
http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs5.htm
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot13_3.htm
You might want to read this thread.
X-Ray of Glaser Injury
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248216&highlight=glaser
http://www.firearmsid.com/Feature%20Articles/102000/JohannesburgTraumaUnit.htm
http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs5.htm
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot13_3.htm
You might want to read this thread.
X-Ray of Glaser Injury
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248216&highlight=glaser
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