Magpul and leaving Colorado followthrough

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Completely fascinating how the states are dividing ideologically.

Colorado used to be conservative state full of independant, self reliant people .... then when Californians soiled their own nest with unsustainable government growth that required ridiculously high taxes, many fled to the Front Range of Colorado, and immediately proceeded to remake it in the image of the failed state they had just left ........ natives called them "Snowflakes" ...... they were pretty when they first blew in over the mountains, but now that they are neck deep in them from Ft. Collins to CO Springs, they are not that popular.
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Yes, we have swarms in Austin. Austin's gone from this sleepy hippy type college town/state capital to a San Francisco wannabe, complete with raging nanny state.

Not happy with Perry about courting more Californians to come here, not at all.
 
Same thing happened in Maine and New Hampshire, with mostly Bostonians doing the damage; Vermont, with mostly New Yorkers doing the damage; Florida, with mostly New Yorkers doing the damage.

Center and West, it's mostly California's influence. Happened all along coastal Oregon and Washington.

Basically, if you live someplace that has beautiful scenery and relatively low prices, you are eventually likely to get overwhelmed by wealthy ex-Blue Staters, who can't wait to terraform your area

When the Berlin Wall fell, there was a running joke around here to tear it down, and put it up around the Seattle City limits to keep the Californians out. Too bad it was a joke.
 
Enough of the Californian Bashing...

... I am insulted that you paint all Californians with a broad brush. I am a constitutional conservitive for smaller government and a strong supporter of the Second Amendment.

Your attacks feel like racism but with the "race" being "California" instead of another.

I am fighting the battle with the antis everyday. I can say that there are a lot of RKBA people in Southern California that support our cause.

On the other hand, when a co-worker found out I had bought a gun his first question was "Why do you want to kill people?" :eek: :mad:

But after a few years and several conversations he is now leaning toward RKBA. :D

I sure wish I could own the weapons that LEO has in California. Especially the ones issued to Game Wardens!
 
Your attacks feel like racism but with the "race" being "California" instead of another.

Yikes. Please don't go there. You can't change your race as you're born with it. Also nothing inherently wrong with whatever race you're born. If you live in California or some other slave state, that's something you can change.
 
Yes, we have swarms in Austin. Austin's gone from this sleepy hippy type college town/state capital to a San Francisco wannabe, complete with raging nanny state.

Not happy with Perry about courting more Californians to come here, not at all.

I've been thinking about that too. Perry is recruiting them for the jobs...but when they come they arrive intending to make ATX like where they came from instead of taking on our culture.
 
Reread this thread substituting Texan for Californian

breaking: If you go back and re-read this thread substituting Texan for Californian you will see how the comparison with racism rings true.

Based on what people are saying, even if I move to Texas I will still be treated as a "Californian" (said with a disgusted look on the face and spitting on the ground afterward to get the foul task of "Californian" out of the mouth).

Can I easily change from being a resident of California to being a resident of Texas? No. Being upside down on my mortgage and having kids in college that have jobs would be a big problem. Leaving the proximity of my retired parents means I would not get to visit them very often if at all. Breaking up the family is not an option for me. By the way, my whole family is conservative and votes RKBA.

Can I change my race? Yes I can just by changing from a Caucasian to a Native American. Race is not always obvious and looks can be deceiving.
 
WW2, the problem is that most of the pro-gun Californians one meets are from rural areas inland or northern, or else from military enclaves such as San Diego or Lemoore.

The wealthy, urban Californians who buy up properties in other states rarely seem to be pro-gun, and usually seem to favor big government.

To put this in perspective, my mother's family and my father's family were both from Massachusetts. While a mix of R and D, all are center conservative; several are or were cops or corrections officers; many were military.

Most have moved from Massachusetts due to area politics. One uncle is stuck there because of penalties he would incur to his state pension should he move. Other relatives have a large business, and won't leave, but that cousin is a former cop and is friendly with his rural police chief, so he and his immediate family have no firearm permit troubles.

But they are in a minority, whether among current MA residents, or among those who have emigrated. The folks with money and political inclinations tend to be anti-gun in MA, and to remain anti-gun when they relocate.

Perhaps the most ironic example was a former Bostonian I met, who was managing a pawn and gun shop and range near Fort Bragg - the guy was selling guns and managing a range, but extremely critical of concealed carriers.

So, while you may well be fighting the good fight, you are also fighting a stereotype that, like many stereotypes, is rooted in fact.

Edit: WW2, I will go one further, and say that my family laugh when they hear people refer to "M*******s," both because they know exactly what is meant, and that it does not apply to them. You might look at the "Californian" thing in a similar light.

Second Edit: I wasn't sure if the 'bot would allow that term. Suffice to say it's a term in common usage throughout the rest of New England to describe rude tourist / bad driver / annoying new neighbors from Mass, ending with hole; it's not looked at so much like a profanity, as a descriptive term which is immediately understood.
 
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Colorado Springs is in El Paso county which is the most populated county in the state and it was red in the last election. Thanks to the large population of military and military retirees we are still solidly red. However, it could all change if we aren't careful and get some new blood in the Republican party.
 
Move to Texas, slap a lone star on the pmag...you know that'll sell out
I'm sure a ton of states would like their business.
 
If you live in California or some other slave state, that's something you can change.
Please. Unless you can prove that slavery is actually an endorsed or practiced institution, knock it off with the hyperbole. It's insulting to the folks who live there and fight for the 2A.

Furthermore, California isn't the subject of this thread. Let's keep it on track if we want it to stay open.
 
The problem with this is the same types of legislators who are typically anti gun also do not care about private business. They vote to keep hiking taxes, the minimum wage and to pass other anti business measures. Unless you are a State/City Worker, in a Union or a part of a select few mega corporations who give them huge campaign contributions They don't and won't give a darn unless you FORCE them to by getting some of these yahoo's thrown out of office come the next election.

An even more powerful message that voting a pro gun R in and an anti gun D, would be if these anti gunners start losing in primaries to pro gun candidates from their own parties.


I hope Magpul finds a new home soon but this is going to disrupt the supply chain, you don't just move a huge manufacturing company overnight. If they move as far away as say Texas, or Arizona then some of the skilled workers will not follow. It could be 1-2 years before they are up and running at full capacity after a move. I imagine it will be a gradual change, with Magpul moving PMAG Manufacturing first and slowly moving the other stuff so they don't have a big disruption. Its gonna be a rough ride for 30 round PMAGS though, I am so glad right now that I stocked up on PMAGS!
 
yeah, I agree with what Tom Servo just said about hyperbole.... it is getting a bit thick.

I travel to many cities in California on business, including LA, San Francisco, and San Diego. I also travel to Dallas and Austin.

Now, Austin may not be as conservative as Midland, or Abilene, or Lubbock, but it is nothing like San Francisco. Nothing. I rather like Austin, and when I visit, there is no doubt that I am in TEXAS... as an outsider, Austin feels as much like TEXAS as Dallas, or Houston... but with better music and nightlife :) .

A lot of Californians are on our side... probably more than 30%... given the size of California, that is a huge number of people.

Either Wyoming or Nebraska seem like logical choices for Magpul. That would be an easy move for Magpuls existing workforce... they would still be close to their family ties in the Boulder area.
 
Why Nebraska? Their roads suck. My gravel roads are smoother than their state highways. Kansas gets no mention even though we have great incentives for businesses, right to work laws, and a good work ethic as evidenced by our low unemployment rate. Otherwise this place sucks but it would be good for business. Plus you can't get more centrally located than in Kansas.
 
If I were planning the move I'd take them to Cheyenne, Wy.

It's not very far so the move wouldn't take long and there's even the possibility that some of the same workers could make the transition without even moving out of their homes (I'm not sure about this though).

And Cheyenne is right on two major interstates so it's well served in terms of transportation.

And besides, I might like to work there :-) (my commute would be slightly better than what I do now)
 
The presses they use are probably relatively small. Maybe a few large ones for their stocks. They should be able to move with less expense than you might think.
I'd buy a Pmag with a Lone Star on it and I'm not even a crazy Texan(They said I was too short to get residency).
 
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Well, if they go, hopefully, they'll go to Cheyenne, so their employees can keep jobs.

The guy who installed my heater was also doing duct work for magpul, so the economic loss will go far beyond just the plastics industry.
 
As close as Cheyenne is, it is still a long move for most with families. Some would be able to make it though. I might have sent them a CV a few hours ago...
 
From Magpul Industry's FB page last night:
We are proud to announce that within a matter of days we will be going live with a new program. Due to a bill currently moving through the Colorado legislature, there is the possibility that Colorado residents' ability to purchase standard capacity magazines will soon be infringed. Before that happens, and Magpul is forced to leave the state in order to keep to our principles, we will be doing our... best to get standard capacity PMAGs into the hands of any Colorado resident that wants them.

Verified Colorado residents will be able to purchase up to ten (10) standard capacity AR/M4 magazines directly from Magpul, and will be given immediate flat-rate $5 shipping, bypassing our current order queue.

Our customers outside of Colorado, please know that our PMAG production will continue at an ever-increasing rate until we do relocate, shipments to our distributors in other states will continue, and that we do not expect relocation to significantly impact PMAG production. We are also aware that Colorado is not the only state with existing or pending magazine capacity restrictions; we are working on programs for other affected states as well.

Full details and instructions will be announced when we are able to go live; please watch here for the coming announcement.

"Standard capacity"...30 round mags, yes? While I don't have any mags on order and I appreciate that some may have been waiting on backorder for a while, I do applaud this action. I hope those in non-ban states that are still waiting for mags will be cool with this reshuffle of the queue.

Kudos to Magpul for sticking to their principles.
 
I find it amusingly ironic that I've been contemplating buying some 10 round magazines for the range. And that I haven't been able to get them as an impulse buy while shopping for reloading supplies because the stores don't carry them.
 
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