Magazine Spring Life?

Model12Win

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Hello all, I tried researching this question but came up empty.

I have a Bulgarian Makarov that came with two magazines, and just ordered 5 more magazines which are Bulgarian made and still in cosmoline. So, I've got a total of 7 magazines for it.

But how long will those last? If I rotate mags to spread out the wear, how many rounds will it take to weaken the magazine springs to the point of unreliability? I plan to get another 5 or so mags in the near future. I just love my new Makarov and plan to shoot it a lot. I am just very curious as to long term durability of the magazines.

If anyone knows, please help me. Thanks!
 
I don't know specifically about Bulgarian Makarov mags but, in general, magazines will not wear out if left loaded - if the spring is high quality. Rotating mags by constantly loading and unloading them will actually increase metal fatigue causing them to wear faster. Think of a wire hangar (it was explained to me), bend it once and it won't break; bend it again and it still won't break; keep bending it and it eventually will.

Can you find modern replacement springs?
 
Exactly 102 rounds will turn your magazine springs to jelly. You will need to buy dozens of extra springs. Sometimes they wear out before you even put them in the magazine.
If you learn to shoot your gun upside down, you can dispense with those unreliable springs altogether.
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^ Thank you but that is not very helpful.

I know that springs shouldn't wear out from being left loaded. But, I know they will wear out from loading and then firing the rounds in the magazine. I am just wondering how often they will need to be replaced to ensure good function.
 
Is this an issue related to this specific firearm? I ask because I have a 25 year old Beretta that I have fired thousands of rounds through and have not given the mag or its springs a thought. It has NEVER been an issue. And it has been loaded for years. In fact, I always keep it loaded. I take it to the range and it fires flawlessly.
 
I have several magazines from the 1930s and 40s that have original springs in them and they still function perfectly.

IMO the need to constantly change out springs is way over estimated.

I have a colt combat elite magazine with over 20K though it, a buckmark with 80K, and a victor with well over 100K and they all still work 100%
 
The topic of mag springs comes up periodically. Generally, it shouldn't be an issue. Working springs CAN lead to wear, and leaving some mags fully loaded can lead to greater wear -- it's not as simple as it seems.

For a milsurp gun, or one's that are very old, you might try to find replacement mag springs. Many mag springs for guns of similar calibers and capacities will work in other mags -- as form follows function. I think that most Bulgarian Maks were made for export and were not used by the Bulgarian military -- so they're not really military surplus, and the springs should be relatively fresh. But, if not, you shouldn't have problems finding springs for Makarov mags.

I'm repeating below, what I posted yesterday, in another discussion...
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According to the experts here and on another forum (The High Road), which has included a number of engineers who are familiar with the subject (at least one of them a metallurgist), most springs -- while they will degrade with use -- won't degrade enough to matter, if properly designed and properly used in the gun's design. They'll typically outlive the gun or the shooter. Many of the new SMALL gun designs, or guns with very high-cap mags, however, often push the springs' limits and springs become renewable resources in those cases.

When recoil or mag springs do degrade, due to cycling, it's because they are compressed to or near the point of maximum compression. If the spring doesn't compress to that point (called its elastic limit), the spring (even if the mag is fully loaded, or the slide is locked back) won't degrade much with use. A lot of gun springs, when cycled, are NEVER get close to the spring's elastic limits.

Working a spring alone isn't necessarily a propblem: tappet springs in a car engine are an example -- as they may cycle many millions of times without failures over an engine's life... They're designed with reserve power, and unlike springs in some of the newer gun designs, they're not asked to do more work in less space, with less material than was once the practice.

In earlier discussions here and on The High Road, it was noted that the small recoil spring for the Rohrbaugh R9 -- probably the smallest 9mm semi-auto -- should be replaced every 250 or sound rounds. That gun fires the same round as guns that have recoil springs that last thousands of rounds! What's the difference? That small spring is apparently pushed to it's elastic limits with each shot -- and that spring just can't last as long as other less stressed springs (that are made to fit larger spaces and use more metal). Most spring applications do NOT stress springs that much.

The point of maximum compression is when (and where) spring wear takes place. If the spring is kept loaded, and the spring is near it's design limits at that point -- and, arguably, most mag springs are not be near that limit when fully loaded -- then the spring will degrade a bit more quickly than if the mag is downloaded for cycling or storage. For most full-size, non-hi-cap mags, it's not likely to be a problem. For some hi-cap guns, or for some sub-compacts, it can be an issue.
 
The statement on shooting your pistol, upside down?

The Bren gun has the magazine mounted upside down! And it was accurate!
 
Walt and Bill , this metallurgist says IF it's properly designed and made it shouldn't ever need a new spring ! Even back in my heavy shooting days I never replaced a recoil or magazine spring !
I did once replace aToyota valve spring .Of course it was defective , a fatigue failure .For that type of failure all you need is a little nick in the spring as the greatest forces are on the outside !:p
 
Springs like those used in magazines don't exactly wear out, they just get saggy and take up less space, reducing their effectiveness.
If you buy new mags, before using them measure the spring length as a base measurement for deciding if and when they would ever need replacing.
Or you could just do what most of us do - just wait until the gun stops working to replace them.
 
mete said:
Walt and Bill , this metallurgist says IF it's properly designed and made it shouldn't ever need a new spring ! Even back in my heavy shooting days I never replaced a recoil or magazine spring !
I did once replace aToyota valve spring. Of course it was defective , a fatigue failure .For that type of failure all you need is a little nick in the spring as the greatest forces are on the outside !

That's what others involved in this discussion have said -- folks, like you, who are familiar with the technology and the materials involved.

The only CHANGE to any of the variables in this discussion in recent years is the move to new (sub-compact) gun designs that are much smaller (with less room for spring material) or to guns with much higher-capacity mags. In both of those situations, the springs are asked to do more in less space with less material than once was the cvase. In SOME of those cases, the springs can't last as long.

For those of us who are shooting full-size guns and not keeping our very hi-cap mags fully loaded all the time, spring wear will probably not be a problem. (And as others have said, replacing a recoil spring or a mag spring isn't all that expensive or hard to do...)

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No one can really tell you how long a spring will last, because none of us knows if the spring was made "properly" or not.

A spring that fails in a few thousand rounds wasn't "made properly", one that never fails clearly was made properly, but there's no way to tell one from the other until/unless it fails.

IF your spring(s) fail before you have paid for the gun multiple times over in the cost of the ammo you shoot, then, they were bad. If not, then they are ok.

It is stupidly that simple. If it fails, it was bad, if it doesn't it isn't. Don't sweat it.
 
Properly made and designed springs don't get "saggy" or weak. Just the opposite happens- they work harden and break, but it takes many cycles for this to happen.
I have replaced springs, but only when they have been in a fire or were severely corroded-and I'll bet I have handled/worked on more guns than many of you have ever even seen.
I also make springs-thousands of them.
 
I have a 1911 ...with its original 8 Wilson mags in 9mm --- that just went over 120,000 rds thru the gun with no spring issues....in their 8 yr life so far...

.....I strip and clean all 8 mags once a month...and it's possible that some mags get more use than others...and they are all dropped on concrete range floors weekly.

Unless you have issues with the mags don't worry about it...
 
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