M95 Spanish Mauser Prairie Dog buster

I'll answer Jim's post first. I thought that you just misread what I had written, but when others copied what you said, I had to step in, before that misconception took on a life of it's own.

Now to HiBC, It is a joy speaking with you. I would love to meet you someday at a match, and regardless of which one of us was having a better day, would consider it an honor to simultaneously compete against you from the same firing line.
From my serious "High Power" days, ( I have since shifted to Cowboy Action for my competition enjoyment), I was really only personally aware of Douglas and Shilen barrels. I had heard of Krieger Barrels, but never shot one.I will have to check them out. My liking Douglas barrels, is only because I am very familiar with them.
ACTUALLY, the NEXT thing that I need to do, is to see if Douglas, Shilen, Krieger, et. al. even are willing to make a match grade, heavy barrel in .257.
The reason I chose .257 Roberts, was because I wanted to put my friend's old M95 into fairly routine service in my hands. My FAVORITE caliber would be 220 Swift, but that would greatly exceed the M95 strength limits. I have an 1898 Turkish Mauser that I also received from my dying friend that COULD be set up as a 220 Swift, but I wanted something that was a little less time consuming on my niece.
Brie
 
I just got a chance to look at the article on Kim Stroud, that you included in your last post to me, HiBC, THANK YOU, I really enjoyed it.
Bre
 
My only aftermarket barrels are a Pac Nor which is better than factory and a Krieger which is a LOT better. You will not go wrong with a Krieger and they do make .25s.

A friend who is a much more serious rifle shooter than I am is happy with Douglas. He also has at least one Hart barrel which is very fine.
He got a Pac Nor when I did but has shot it out and replaced it with a Krieger.
His newest and most deluxe rifle has a Bartlein barrel. It shoots great and he reserves it for the major matches. The only problem is that everybody knows they are good and they are out to 6-8 months delivery.

There are others out there - David Tubb uses Schneider barrels - but the above are the only ones I have shot or seen being shot.
 
I was going to recommend Krieger, but all the 257 barrels I've found in stock anywhere have a 1:10 twist. Lothar Walther is also a 1:10 twist, so is Bartlein.

Of all the barrel options out there, for a dedicated varmint rifle I would therefore recommend a Shillen Match stainless barrel with a 1:12 twist. Midwayusa.com shows unturned 28" stainless match blanks as available to me, for 219.99 before shipping.

If you don't mind waiting, Krieger is worth waiting for. If you want to get started now, buy a Shilen blank. If a 1:10 twist is ok with you, you can get a Krieger or Bartlein or LW barrel now in a variety of contours.

I hope this is helpful.

Jimro
 
Just food for thought,not trying to argue.
There are a number of quality barrel makers who can deliver a barrel that will whack PDs at 300 yds every time if the shooter does their part,and 400 yds at least 80%.About anything sub 1 MOA will do that.

I have a Lilja on my 30-338 that shoots well,and Mr Lilja is another fine barrelmaker.

There is no need to go into a dispute over cut vs button rifled.Both work.(my preference aside!)

Given Niece is working someplace,and time is money,IMO, ordering an unturned cylindrical blank is not what I would recommend.

Not only is there a substantial amount of time/work in turning a barrel down to profile,it may well result in a sub standard product.

True,button rifled barrels are rifled at the rough blank stage,then contoured.

But the finish lapping and dimensional controls are done after contouring for good reason.

One of the reasons for my bias toward cut rifling,and particularly Kreiger's process,are the stages of the manufacture process.
I did not find the Kreiger process on the website,but previous website described it.
To the best I can recall blank is bored,contoured,stress relieved ,cryo'd,and lapped(not necessarily in that order),before it is cut rifled and finish lapped.
I may have something not exactly correct in my description,but you get the idea.After the machining and stress relief,an essentially finished bore is gently cut rifled and finish lapped,and no further stress is induced.

Regardless of debate whether a button rifled rough blank CAN be turned down and polished out on a gunsmith's manual lathe with excellent results,It is very small $ savings for a lot of work,with many ways to fail and ruin the barrel.

I am not saying cut rifled or Kreiger are the only choice.I have the most confidence in a Kreiger.That is merely my own mental issue.I think Kreiger,Douglas,Shilen,PacNor,Bartlein,Lilja,Obermeyer,Lothar Walther and some I forgot or do not know of can deliver a barrel that will hit PDs.At least most of the time...Who sends out more lemons? I do not know.

Time? (delivery) Money? Desired outcome? Will the difference in 87 gr accuracy from a 1 in 12 twist outweigh the option of being able to usea 110 gr Berger VLD or a Nosler 115 ballistic tip at longer ranges,I personal would go 1 in 10,but its not my call.

With due respect for the age and design of the what? 1895 pattern Mauser...this is not about screaming high pressure velocity and too many RPM's.
As Brie seems to know her way around a rifle,Her 400 yds can have wind flags at known yardages,she can have a range card,and a quality sight with clicky knobs.
Once upon a time,a 4000 fps flat trajectory was the key.But there was a helplessness in relying on it.The guessing point.
We are (can be) more skilled now.Wind gage,laser rangefinder,chronographs,ballistic programs. A higher ballistic coefficient bullet at 2600 fps with the right shooter can do everything a 4000 fps whiffle bullet with the BC of a potato chip can do.
And it all about what gets your grin,and what you prefer.
 
HiBC,

That's a matter of preferrence for sure, but nothing wrong with recommending Krieger. Personally I've had very good luck with pre-contoured aftermarket barrels being concentric. That being said, if you want to know for sure you have the gunsmith contour and chamber a blank. I guess a better question to ask is whether her niece is set up to contour barrels.

As far as countouring after button rifling, that is why Shilen stress relieves, so dimensional stability is ensured.

Cut rifling is the easiest way to make a quality barrel, no doubts about that. But I will remind everyone that Anschutz button rifles their barrels.

Jimro
 
1895 in 308 Win

Hi all, brand new here and hoping someone can help me keep from blowing my face off…..

Picked up an 1895 mauser a few years ago on GB, someone had already rebarreled to 308 win. At the time I read a ton online, by the end of the warnings I decided to only shoot Federal Fusion lite reduced recoil loads. It takes those just fine pressure wise, but ballistically not great at 200yds, nor do they feed well as they are so short. They are 170 grain and supposedly 2000 fps.

For other caliber reasons I decided to jump into the reloading arena last weekend. Now i'm trying to figure out a decent low pressure recipe using some of the free 500 rounds of 150 grain Hornady SP coming my way from a press rebate.

I have IMR4064 already. Wondering if I need a different powder or if that will work around 40 grains and be in the 42,000 pressure range. Hoping it gives better ballistics than the Federal off the shelf stuff I've been using too.

Any thoughts greatly appreciated!
 
"Brie"-

No reason not to have exactly what you want as long as you understand what is involved.
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+1 ...... get what you want, by all means!

BUT..... that build may take some time ..... in the mean time, the P-dogs won't stop their digging, and breeding, and the little ones will grow up to begin digging, and breeding ...... so if you don't want to resort to dropping phosgene tablets down the holes, you've got to keep them controlled ballisticly, in the present. You have a Remmy 721 in .270WIN, you said? ...... I have one as well, and a 110grain .277" V-Max over 47grains of IMR 4064 ought to work as nicely for your rifle as it did mine. Gives about 3,000 f/sec muzzle velocity, and will get out there as far as you need.

If you burn the 721's barrel up in the process, Lilja makes a replacement barrel in the same contour ......

mcentosh- Lee's 2nd ed. lists a 7x57 IMR4064 load for 150gr bullets ...start load is 36.0gr .... Do Not Exceed is 40.0 ..... with a should be safe for your rifle 42.2K C.U.P. ............... c.o.l. is 3.060"

As always, start at the start load and work up, stoppin if anything looks hinky.
 
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