M1895 Nagant Revolver!

The brass will never be able to last but a few loadings because of the case mouth crimp required for a gas seal.
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Really...then the now up to 15 loads through Fiocchi brass must be a figment of my imagination.

You lose more to rim damage in the reloading process

No such thing available.... I'm sure that what is called Nagant ammo now is not near what was originally shot from them.
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You can say that about 45 Colt, and many others......

WildsovietskysoyuzAlaska ™©2002-2010
 
I can find .32 S&W long for $15 a box, too. Nagant hotshot is about 22-25 a box mail order. .32 H&R is about $20 a box local for me. I'd think a couple boxes of Nagant mail ordered is worth it for the brass to reload, the .32 S&W is worth it for an immediate shooter and the magnum is worth it for a last ditch SD gun in my home. In the long run, the 100 rounds of hotshot Nagant Ammo will probably cost VERY little with reloading. I'm thinking with 5-7 loads per brass, it'd cost next to nothing.

Plus, I could use those 5-7 loads to perfect at least 7 of the rounds to a perfect nagant HD round... this makes my mouth water just thinking about. I can't wait.

Wild, I think you've REALLY turned me onto the idea of firing Nagant ammo and Nagant reloaded ammo with all your berating my idea that you can fire H&R and S&W through it.
 
If I reloaded I'd go that route too. I feel like if you just discard the last 1/8th inch of the brass that just serves as a gas seal and reload them to look like regular rounds the brass would last longer.
 
Really...then the now up to 15 loads through Fiocchi brass must be a figment of my imagination
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Perhaps it is! :rolleyes::D

You can say that about 45 Colt, and many others......
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Absolutely true, but for 45 Colt I don't have to get a mixture of reloading dies, modify a shell holder, and fabricate the rest using odd bolts and such and still not really have it down solid. Reloading 45 Colt and Nagant, even though we can't get original components for either anymore, is apples and oranges in comparison. 45 Colt was made to reload and still is, Nagant wasn't (just too rough on the case mouth).

I like my Nagant for the impractical mechanical genius behind it (a true curio, and cooler than ice). Not because I want to spend time working a complicated process to reload for it when there's already plenty of options. But hey, that's just me....;)
 
A lot of interesting "information" there. First, the Russian Nagant is not junk or made out of scrap. It is a well designed gun and those of Russian manufacture are constructed of good quality steel, no worse than other nation's revolvers of the period. Even WWII guns are of good quality, well made and finished.

Its unique sealing of the barrel-cylinder gap is overkill, a solution without a problem, but probably seemed like a good idea at the time. Contrary to some writings, the mechanism is neither delicate nor complex, but it does not help the DA trigger pull. The rest of the gun is a basic Nagant, very similar to the Swiss, Swedish, and other Nagant designs of the same era.

Many people shoot .32 S&W, .32 S&W Long, or other cartridges in them; none are correct and bulged and split cases are common. Further, none seal the b-c gap like the original rounds do. While the revolver is certainly powerful enough for a defense gun (in the original load at least), IMHO its heavy trigger pull and slow reloading make it a poor choice for carry or home defense.

I consider those guns collectors' items, and not practical guns for today with so many better choices available. But I admit that if a Russian Nagant was all I had, I would not feel unarmed.

Jim
 
If I reloaded I'd go that route too. I feel like if you just discard the last 1/8th inch of the brass that just serves as a gas seal and reload them to look like regular rounds the brass would last longer.
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Close. 1.490 with the bullett seated deep into the case and a crimp on the end gives you a gas seal.

Thats all you need, a light load and that careful trim


WildifeelaswissordnanzrevolvercomingonAlaska ™©2002-2010
 
Are these usually available at guns shows? Specifically Southern California? I've been to two gun shows and have never paid any attention to them. I would like to have one to go with my mosin nagant m44. I know my local gun shop has a pair, but they want $250!!!!:barf:
 
I don't think J&G would sell to Cali, as I doubt it's an approved firearm.

But the 1895 is a blackpowder revolver, through and through. Base on early 1870's Belgian revolvers with a proprietary gas seal system that made it unique. But, same as the 1873 Colt that prefaced it, it's a good and solid design that survived many more years than it should have. I consider it the European version of the Colt Peacemaker. Being that it's from Europe, it fires a smaller and under powered round.
 
Its a completely legal revolver in CA. That was not my question. CA is fairly strict about semi autos, but revolvers and manually operated rifles are fine. My question remains; is it a common find at a gun show?

PS- I have bought ammo from JG sales, but not guns. They ship it with out a problem, although buying a gun and buying ammo is two different things.
 
A number of years ago there was a story about some international pistol competition. The only two serious competitors were the Russians and the Americans. The Russians showed up for practice with Nagant revolvers and did reasonably well, though the Americans could hardly suppress their amusement at the idea of competing with those antiques. But the Russians just kept on practicing.

On match day, the Russians showed up, as usual, with their battered old pistol cases. Then they pulled out brand new S&W K-38's and promptly proceeded to clean the Americans' clocks. The practice with the Nagants was a show, purely to "psych out" the competition and get them over-confident. Maybe our diplomats could learn a bit from that episode about dealing with the Russians.

Jim
 
I'm gonna have to keep my eye out for bullets of that size. Definitely the most informative source of info on these beauties is right here on this forum.
 
rifleer, I'm sorry, I forgot about your question! Terrible me! But, yeah, I've been to two gunshows in my life. One where I cared, one for extra credit in a history class in highschool (best teacher ever in retrospect, have an Enfield 1853 in his classroom, got accosted by the police when he retired for carrying it to his car!). I saw a ton of Nagant revolvers for REALLY high prices, and I mean high. One guy was trying to sell one for $350. The cheapest was around $120. I KNOW you'll find them at gunshows, but... for what price is the question.

Jim Keenan, I always love the crazy stories you tell. Love that one.

Sorry for resing a dead thread.
 
What about casting bullets for this round? I have a few boxes of whatever it is that J&G sells, which is jacketed. Is there a cast bullet that would work?
 
What size shell holder?

Wild,

What size/type of shell holder are you using? Everything I have tried won't hold the shell reliably.
 
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