M14HDW.US Rogue Bullpup M14

Jason,

mine has an 18" barrel, the one that went to CP is owned by a former Gunny
and his has the 22' barrel. I haven't seen any after action reports from CP yet.
 
I like the idea of a 7.62mm bull-pup. I like the Kel-Tec RFB. I like the Springfield M1A, especially its shorter versions like the SOCOM 16. It seems like a natural evolution to want a bull-pup version.

That being said, I think this particular version is ugly as sin, and doesn't look well designed or well put together. Just my opinion, and I could easily be wrong -- on everything except my opinion that it's ugly -- it will always look ugly to me. But it's your rifle, so if you like it, great. Hope it shoots well for you
 
Jason,

mine has an 18" barrel, the one that went to CP is owned by a former Gunny
and his has the 22' barrel. I haven't seen any after action reports from CP yet.
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Gotcha, I assumed both of them were your actions and you had just traded them out in the new chassis.

That being said, I think this particular version is ugly as sin, and doesn't look well designed or well put together. Just my opinion, and I could easily be wrong -- on everything except my opinion that it's ugly -- it will always look ugly to me. But it's your rifle, so if you like it, great. Hope it shoots well for you
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Oh, it's ugly as a bar of homemade soap, but I think it looks like it is well put together. I'm guessing that the action is mechanically bedded in the chassis, sort of like the EBR chassis? Looks like the barrel is basically free floated. I'm sure it's probably great from a functional standpoint if you're into bullpups. I'm not a big bullpup fan though, and I love the traditional M14, so I don't think I'd be able to overcome the ugly factor, but it is neat I guess.

Jason
 
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While I certainly understand the logic of the bullpup design for "operators" that actually need a shorter
weapon for CQB, I just don't see an application for "recreational" shooters that would justify the expense
I'm sure there are more than a few people that would love to dictate what
we need and don't need... these people don't have our best interest at heart.
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I wasn't using "need" in the context of "right to have"...
Far as I'm concerned, we should all be able to have select fires...
I meant "need" as in having a use for such.

Anyone that "needs" a CQB, compact battle rifle- law enforcement, military, private security- as examples would find the bullpup design of interest as an alternative type of PDW perhaps.

Now, I would be interested in seeing side-by-side test targets of the action in the bullpup chassis and it's McMillan stock.

If they print the same, I'll be a convert. Otherwise, I'll still believe there's a cost to accuracy.
 
If they print the same, I'll be a convert. Otherwise, I'll still believe there's a cost to accuracy.
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I'm betting that it is pretty accurate if the action is mechanically bedded (vised in). The barrel looks free floated, and the optics aren't on the barrel or receiver in any way. I imagine the only thing that would hurt accuracy in the new chassis is if the bedding is not as tight as it was in the McMillan. But, I'm looking at it from my armchair just like you, so who knows.

Jason
 
Jason, you are correct - the action is mechanically bedded and the barrel is free floated - the design is functional.



Want/Need:

I look at it this way, anyone that doesn't currently own a CQB, compact battle rifle "needs" one.
 
That mod is not my type of thing.
I prefer that bullpups be built from the ground up in that configuration. I don't like many of the bullpup conversions.

But hey, that's why they make so many different guns, we all have different tastes.:cool:
 
I'd still be interested in seeing some groups from the rifle in the McMillan, compared to the bullpup chassis.
 
Glad you like it, but I will continue my search for a bullpup in a rifle caliber that I can stomach. All told, that set-up would set me back a fortune for one thing.
 
Range report?

Thing is so ugly I'd beat it with a broom if it came in the house, but I do want to see some groups with it. I bet it shoots the lights out.

Jason
 
April 19, 2005 - - gray:

Not sure why others have not tried to fiddle with the design;
The Israeli's copied AWC's design; in fact, AWC made 100 for them,
then they just copied the design and made their own.

With the suppressor, it is a very compact system, and not tail-heavy
with the suppressor attached.
Apparently, it is technically very challenging to get a gas operated gun
to function properly with and without the suppressor; ie) for both conditions.

The AWC bullpup has a gas valve to adjust the amount of gas going through the port in order that it will cycle with and without the suppressor.

Overall, it's weight is not more than a standard M1A, just that it
is concentrated further back; takes a little getting used to is all.

My goal is to take it to a M14/M1A expert gunsmith, if I can find one,
to have him go over it to see if he can improve on the reliability and
accuracy.
I would consider fluting the Kreiger heavy barrel; that would lighten it up
some and help with cooling a tad, maybe open up the chamber a tiny bit,
or even flute it like on H&K's in order to ease extraction. More important
on the battlefield where you are more likely to run into cases of varying dimentions.

One thing I forgot; the scope is mounted relatively high which makes
the cheek weld a bit higher than normal; that could also affect accuracy
as one would have to relearn the natural cheek weld we all have learned
from shooting most other weapons. Again, something that can be learned.

The main advantage to this weapon system is it's compactness; which
is the reason for the existence for all Bullpups.

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Gray,

I don't know if you are still here on the forum, but you need
to check out the M14HDW.US Rogue if you are still here.

 
Jason_G

Oh. I'm not a suppressor guy
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I know it's off topic a bit, but I wish I had become a suppressor guy long before I had.

My advice to all enthusiasts is to (if at all possible) suppress your primary weapon.
You will not regret investing in a suppressor. The one and only suppressor that I own is used on my M14s, 7.62x39 AKM and 5.56mm Daewoo.

No regrets - big grins.
 
That's one futuristic looking space gun. It looks like it would be just the ticket for hunting down xenomorphs or the bugs in Starship Troopers.
 
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