M14 vs FAL

GHill,

I think FN refusing Germany a license to manufacture FALs is the one of biggest marketing blunders of all time, (almost as bad as Coke's blunder a few years ago). Besides, think of all the extra kits and spare parts that would have been available to us today now if Germany was given the license.

[This message has been edited by AUCUP (edited August 31, 2000).]
 
AUCUP - Blunder?

Nay - Its called Principles... and I always respect that. Selling out just to turn a buck means nothing. Besides - I can walk out this door here and inside 10 minutes buy a brand new L1A1 for $400.00 plus tax...
There is parts enough right there.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by George Hill:
AUCUP - Blunder?

Nay - Its called Principles... and I always respect that. Selling out just to turn a buck means nothing. Besides - I can walk out this door here and inside 10 minutes buy a brand new L1A1 for $400.00 plus tax...
There is parts enough right there.
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George, I believe the post is more about market forces than politics. The HK G-3 was the largest competitor to the FAL over the decades and was much more successful than a German made FAL would have been. As a result, large portions of the world market were eaten up by the German weapon.

Namely: Abu Dhabi, Bangledesh, Bolivia, Brazil, Brunei, Burma, Chad, Chile, Columbia, Denmark, Dominican Republic, Dubai, El Salvador, West Germany, Ghana, Greece, Guyana, Haiti, Indonesia, Iran, Jordan, Kenya, Malawi, Mexico, Morocco, Niger, Nigeria, Norway, Pakistan, Peru, Philippines, Portugal, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Sharja, Spain, Sudan, Sweden, Tanzania, Thailand, Togo, Turkey, Uganda, Upper Volta, and Zambia. (source: Small Arms of the World by Edward Ezell) This doesn't begin to count the police and civilian market over the years. And when we add this to the derived MP-5 that likely would never have developed without the G-3 we should see a missed opportunity for FN of tremendous proportions.

BTW: This was a GERMAN design born in Nazi Germany and refined first in France, then in Spain, and finally back in Germany when the stigma of the Second World War began to wane.

Yes, the failure of FN to allow Germany to license produce the FAL led in large part to a blunting of the stellar market performance of the FAL. Otherwise, the CETME might have been as obscure in service as the AR-10. Principle be damned, from a marketing standpoint it was a bomb.

And who said the FAL was a Browning design? Browning was dead. The design was perfected by Dieudonne Saive, a brilliant designer in his own right.

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God made us in his own image.
Thomas Jefferson made us free.
John Browning made us equal.

Without Browning, we might not know about the other two...
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by George Hill:
"Principle be damned"

Marketing over Principle?
Tsk tsk tsk...

Thats what S&W said...
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I hoped somebody would call me on that one. Devils advocate here. I meant that principle didn't amount to a hill of beans in this case, did it? Frankly, I like both guns. I'd rather take the FAL into battle but with HK-91 sights, pistol grip, and trigger group. I like the FAL gas and locking system. I guess a gas operated tilting bolt HK-91 would satisfy me.

Back to the original subject, though. On what principle was denying a license based? Did they want Germany to buy their guns? Stupid considering they let EVERYBODY ELSE build their own. Were they afraid of a Germany that built it's own guns again? Also stupid because they did it anyway. I think they were just poor at negotiating terms with a Proud country that thought it could do very will in spite of FN thank you very much. Of course, I wasn't there.

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God made us in his own image.
Thomas Jefferson made us free.
John Browning made us equal.

Without Browning, we might not know about the other two...
 
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