M1 Gerand or Mossin Negant

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M1 Garand(US Rifle, Cal. .30, M1) or Mosin-Nagant(Russian: Винтовка Мосина)-corrected

Im new to these types of rifles, but I do have and like my Mosin Nagant.

Would an M1 Garand be similar?


Just trying to decide to get one or not.
 
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You mean a M1 Garand and Mosin Nagant.

Whats the intended use?
That'll determine if you should get one or not.
If its to have an Iconic American WWII rifle or to compete then sure get one.
If you just want a semi automatic rifle to have fun with get an SKS/AK/AR15 or even a 10/22 as ammo for these is a lot cheaper.


A M1 is similar in the fact its an rifle just like the Mosin, but then they are quite different.

For starters the M1 is semi automatic which makes it a lot different, its also better man and probably more accurate.

As you must already know the Mosin has an internal box magazine which can be loaded either by a stripper clip or with individual rounds.
Where as the M1 is loaded by an "en bloc" clip which holds rounds like a striper clip but the whole clip is loaded into the rifle and then ejected when the clip is empty.
 
Would an M1 Gerand be similar?


Just trying to decide to get one or not.
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1. No

2. Get one.

Sooner the better. Tho it will require deeper pockets to buy, own and shoot when compared to your MN... an issue only your wallet can answer. From a shooting / satisfaction POV, there is something about the M1 that I find very pleasing.

The Garand is ammo sensitive, so do read up on that 1st.
 
Apples and Oranges in comparison. M1 is calibered in 30-06 and pricey to shoot (ammo cost) Much more expensive for the rifle to purchase.
 
Have you considered an M1A? Similar design to the Garand, ammo is much easier to find in bulk, and if its just for "plinking", Polytech's can be had for reasonable prices.

If you decide on a Garand, do some research prior to buying. After WWII, a lot of Garand receivers were cut up to dispose of the rifles, and were later welded back together. I wouldn't have believed it, except I didn't check, and ended up with one of these. You wouldn't have to worry about this through the CMP, but if buying through a gun show or similar.......
 
The M-N is a throwback to the 19th century. Crude,ugly, and unwieldy but functional.
The Garand is the beginning of the self loading battle rifles. Heavy, ammo specific,requires ammo clips to function, but accurate and much more attractive.
The difference is about $500-700 but well worth it for the Garand. IMHO
I wouldn't have a M-N on the place. BTW
 
I like both but the Garand is a Cadillac where the Mosin is a Ford truck
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But between those two I'd still take the Ford truck, less issues. lol :D


Mosins are fun and cheap to buy and shoot. Also the surplus market will probably go until the end of time.

M1 Garands are nice rifles, I mean really nice rifles. More expensive to shoot but nicer and higher quality than the MN.

Really depends on what you plan on doing with it and what you want your cost to be.
 
If your into old rifles ( like me ) you may like a Remington or Smith Corona 1903 A3. As far as accuracy is concerned i think it will outshoot the M1 Garand, and the Mosin.
 
The Garand, besides being an excellent rifle is a piece of American History. If you can, get one now from CMP. They wont last forever.

Ammo from CMP is reasonably priced also.

The Garand is easier to shoot. Ever try to load stripper strips in a Mosin. It can be done but takes lots of practice.

The sights on the Garand are the best ever put on a military rifle (M14s have the same sight). Most Mosins shoot high, and will take some work to get them set right, even then you don't have the ability to adjust for windage. You can the Garand.

As to 1903a3. Yes they are Great rifles, I think the best military bolt guns ever made. However, good ones are hard to find. In the non-modified mode you'll find the prices higher. Not sure they are more accurate then the Garand, I'd say they were the same in the accuracy department. I get that from compairing the Scores fired in the CMP Garand and Springfield Matches. The scores are pretty much neck and neck.

You wont find a Mosin that competes with either.

If you deside to shoot the CMP GSM vintage military rifle games, the Garand and Springfield have their own matches. Mosin's have to compete with "all other vintage military rifles". So you have to shoot agaisnt the 1917 Enfields and other rifles such as the Swiss, Swedes and Mausers.

I like Mosins, I have one and after tinkering with the rear sight I got it to shoot point of aim at 100 when sent on 100. Tons of dryfiring and shooting its gotten pretty smooth. But nothing compaired to my 1903a3.

All rifles are going up. GI AS Issued rifles are going up more then other rifles simply because they arent making them anymore (the CMP just upped the prices on their Garands). Mosins are cheap, they will go up, but have a ways to go before they are out of reach.

I'd get the Garand now, go for the Mosin later. And if you ever find a good, AS ISSUED Springfield and/or Enfiedl, go for it. They are getting rare.

As an example, I put off getting a CMP M1 Carbine. Finely I saw the light, I was schudeled to go to the CMP GSM MI course in Sept 2010. I was going to pick up a Carbine when I was at Perry for the course. But in June that year I desided not to wait and ordered the Carbine..............in Sept they were gone, NO MORE, except for some expensive examples found on the CMP Auction Sight.

When I got my Garand from "then" DCM, It cost $112.70 delivered to Anchorage. Now the Field grades are $595 + 24.95 shipping. The prices will never go down and they arn't making any more.

If you buy a Garand, I'd recommend the CMP Garands. All CMP Garands are inspected by CMP Armors before they are put on the shelves. PLUS, if for some wierd reason you have a problem, you'll never find any better customer service the the CMP.

Also, the profits from the sales of CMP rifles and ammo go to support the CMP Marksmanship Programs geared mostly to Juniors. That in itself is a great reason to choose CMP rifles.

Remember, besides one of the best military rifles ever made, you are buying a piece of history. There are still millions of Mosins out there you can get later.
 
Thanks all. Yes - I mean an M1 Garand and Mosin Nagant

I do own a Mosin (crude and ugly - well I agree with crude but is not bad) and love to shoot it. Actually my Dad bought (3) of them so I have recently picked the one that felt good and have been starting into shooting it. Just for fun at moment but want to compete maybe down the road.

My reason for wanting an M1 is historical and for sport and to extend my collection of military rifles. I may go the AR15 route next, but not right now. As many of you said, the M1 is a beautiful piece and is not going to be available forever. Looked at the others, 1903 etc., but read up on the Gerand and it looks like the one.

I will be looking at the CMP to get one as they have some in decent grade. I don't really want to get the perfect ones (3k), but just a decent one.

I have read about the ammo issues, but will not be doing high counts so ordering from CMP will be fine.
 
Thats what I was thinking - just wanted confirmation. I am new to rifles.


My Dad gave me the Chevette(Mosan) - yes I have driven them.

But I want a Corvette(Gerand) - Driven them too.



They both get you from a to b - but even my wife knows the difference.
 
the Mosin is a Ford truck.
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....if you stripped all the chrome and side windows and seats out of a Ford F3, and sat on a steel milk crate to drive it ..... and if that truck would run for 100 years, yeah ...... then it would be a lot like a Ford truck.
 
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bittt...
for the love of all that is good man, it's spelled G A R A N D, not an "e" anywhere in the name at all. ;)

CMP. Do it. Join the NRA and a club, shoot your Messin, er Moosen, no Missen? Wait, I'll get it right eventually... maybe. :D Anyway shoot your milsurp in a match or two. Once you qualify, send off and have an M1 delivered to your door.

http://www.odcmp.com/

(BTW John Garand's last name rhymes (rhymed?) with "parent"... just FWIW but most mispronounce it, so I was sorta just funnin ya up in the 1st sentence)

They are, in a word, awesome rifles. Heavy, but effective.
 
M1 Garand or Mosin....

I own and shoot both.........they are different animals. Both are extremely robust in design and good choices for ones gun safe, in my humble opinion.
 
I agree. I have two mossins one carbine and one long gun both are awesome and darn accurate. I love my Garand and M1 carbine too. Just love old Military rifles. I just have a hard time paying the price for the 30-06 and Carbine rounds. Which is why I started reloading. The mosin durplus rounds are so cheap I have not found a reason to reload in that caliber yet. But as soon as I find a set or cheap carbide dies and some boxer brass for it I will. lol
 
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