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M-14 bullpup; FBI project??
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AWC SYSTEM TECHNOLOGIES MODEL G2-A
Curious readers of the January issue of Precision Shooting may have wondered just what rifle Gale McMillan was so proudly holding in the photo that accompanied M.L. McPherson’s “Left the Range” tribute. The rifle is none other than AWC System Technologies’ M14/M1A bullpup designated the G2 Compact series. Ever trying to make the best even better, Gale worked closely with Lynn McWilliams, owner of AWC Systems Technologies, in the early 90’s to produce one of the sniping worlds most interesting hybrids.Capable of 1 MOA accuracy, the G2 was tested by a number of governmental agencies, both domestic and foreign, seeking to breathe new life into a venerable battle-proven platform, the M14. The G2 series had a number of variations, primarily surrounding barrel weights, scope mounts and AWC’s suppressor capabilities and both semi-auto and full-auto versions were eventually produced. Our cover features the last significant development of this weapon system, the G2A+ created for testing at the Fort Bragg sniper school. Sporting a compact bullpup stock, designed and produced by Gale McMillan’s firm exclusively for AWC System Technologies, this rifle was fit with a heavy stainless Krieger match barrel and Lynn McWilliams’ final scope mount design. The scope mount and scope selection was of paramount importance because the raised nature of the optics, combined with the peculiar “G” load factor produced by the weapon, created a harsh environment for anything but the strongest scopes.
Curious readers of the January issue of Precision Shooting may have wondered just what rifle Gale McMillan was so proudly holding in the photo that accompanied M.L. McPherson’s “Left the Range” tribute. The rifle is none other than AWC System Technologies’ M14/M1A bullpup designated the G2 Compact series. Ever trying to make the best even better, Gale worked closely with Lynn McWilliams, owner of AWC Systems Technologies, in the early 90’s to produce one of the sniping worlds most interesting hybrids.Capable of 1 MOA accuracy, the G2 was tested by a number of governmental agencies, both domestic and foreign, seeking to breathe new life into a venerable battle-proven platform, the M14. The G2 series had a number of variations, primarily surrounding barrel weights, scope mounts and AWC’s suppressor capabilities and both semi-auto and full-auto versions were eventually produced. Our cover features the last significant development of this weapon system, the G2A+ created for testing at the Fort Bragg sniper school. Sporting a compact bullpup stock, designed and produced by Gale McMillan’s firm exclusively for AWC System Technologies, this rifle was fit with a heavy stainless Krieger match barrel and Lynn McWilliams’ final scope mount design. The scope mount and scope selection was of paramount importance because the raised nature of the optics, combined with the peculiar “G” load factor produced by the weapon, created a harsh environment for anything but the strongest scopes.
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Anyone knows how to tune up an AWC G2??
Anyone know who has the expertise to tune up, and possibly improve on,
an original AWC M1A G2 bullpup??
BTW: I recall being told that about 100 were made for either the US or
a foreign government, and that less than 8 were made for civilians
(that is the G2 variant).
Thanks
G
Anyone know who has the expertise to tune up, and possibly improve on,
an original AWC M1A G2 bullpup??
BTW: I recall being told that about 100 were made for either the US or
a foreign government, and that less than 8 were made for civilians
(that is the G2 variant).
Thanks
G
all i can say is wow thats a wonderful peice... i love bullpup designs..
someone mentioned Mr McMillian is no longer with us? it seems like he would be a very intresting man to speak with.. why did he leave *or how*?
agian wonderful work.. i love the fact that its so accureate.. makes me really consider some of these bullpup conversons out there..*at one point i was looking on one for a mini 14 and a 10-22*
someone mentioned Mr McMillian is no longer with us? it seems like he would be a very intresting man to speak with.. why did he leave *or how*?
agian wonderful work.. i love the fact that its so accureate.. makes me really consider some of these bullpup conversons out there..*at one point i was looking on one for a mini 14 and a 10-22*
Mr. McMillan's soul left his body, leaving it poorly equipped to keep posting on TFL.
Gray, I'm not sure what they were thinking, but the top ejecting M14 would be close to my last choice of action to build a bullpup out of. So an improvement might start with a different rifle.
Gray, I'm not sure what they were thinking, but the top ejecting M14 would be close to my last choice of action to build a bullpup out of. So an improvement might start with a different rifle.
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Handy,
The M1A/M14 was probably chosen for several reasons:
1) Since they were trying to market to the US military, the M14 would appeal since the US military knows it well and it would be accepted easier.
2) There is a plethora of knowledge and tech out there geared towards making the M1A/M14 a very precise shooting rifle. The idea was that this would not be a general infantry rifle, but weighing in at 12 pounds it would be a compact sniper rifle for 800 meter shots.
I saw on a firearms forum a thread about a visit to the SHOT show, and several posts were about a stock company which is working on a bullpup adaptation to the FN-FAL. That is something I would really like. IMO the FN-FAL is one of the best all around Battle Rifles.
The M1A/M14 was probably chosen for several reasons:
1) Since they were trying to market to the US military, the M14 would appeal since the US military knows it well and it would be accepted easier.
2) There is a plethora of knowledge and tech out there geared towards making the M1A/M14 a very precise shooting rifle. The idea was that this would not be a general infantry rifle, but weighing in at 12 pounds it would be a compact sniper rifle for 800 meter shots.
I saw on a firearms forum a thread about a visit to the SHOT show, and several posts were about a stock company which is working on a bullpup adaptation to the FN-FAL. That is something I would really like. IMO the FN-FAL is one of the best all around Battle Rifles.
AWC bullpup
A bit more info on the AWC Bullpup;
I took it to a weapons course many years ago;
I ran about 400 rounds though it, without cleaning.
It ran fine until the last 50 rounds, then it started to jam;
I think that was due to the tight chamber(heavy Krieger barrel)
getting gummed-up.
I could never get it to shoot any better than around 2 moa, but
I should mention, I never used the wrench to adjust the barrel tension
and all the shooting was without the use of a bench or bags; just
me holding it as steady as I could from various positions.
I forget what AWC called the system for adjusting barrel tension.
It also came with a suppressor; very quiet; less noise than a 22 short.
Just a pop and a crack; I was not using subsonic ammo.
I think it was a good try, and definitely unique. It could be used now
in Iraq; everybody is looking for short weapons for carrying in vehicles;
just look at the SAGE folding stock and the SOCOM 16.
Everyone also is looking for weapons with more punch than the 5.56;
those little bullets just break up and cannot penetrate the vehicles
the bad guys are riding in.
The only negative I could find was that it was a bit tail heavy
and the trigger was a bit sloppy; that could be improved upon
I think. It did come to the cheek quickly.
I would not hesitate to take it to a combat zone once a good gunsmith
gave it a going over.
G
A bit more info on the AWC Bullpup;
I took it to a weapons course many years ago;
I ran about 400 rounds though it, without cleaning.
It ran fine until the last 50 rounds, then it started to jam;
I think that was due to the tight chamber(heavy Krieger barrel)
getting gummed-up.
I could never get it to shoot any better than around 2 moa, but
I should mention, I never used the wrench to adjust the barrel tension
and all the shooting was without the use of a bench or bags; just
me holding it as steady as I could from various positions.
I forget what AWC called the system for adjusting barrel tension.
It also came with a suppressor; very quiet; less noise than a 22 short.
Just a pop and a crack; I was not using subsonic ammo.
I think it was a good try, and definitely unique. It could be used now
in Iraq; everybody is looking for short weapons for carrying in vehicles;
just look at the SAGE folding stock and the SOCOM 16.
Everyone also is looking for weapons with more punch than the 5.56;
those little bullets just break up and cannot penetrate the vehicles
the bad guys are riding in.
The only negative I could find was that it was a bit tail heavy
and the trigger was a bit sloppy; that could be improved upon
I think. It did come to the cheek quickly.
I would not hesitate to take it to a combat zone once a good gunsmith
gave it a going over.
G
^^^
On the tail-heavy bit, I don't get why nobody hasn't made a thumbhole style grip with the magazine well in the section behind the grip; this would put the magazine closer by an inch or two to the grip, also shortening the length of the trigger mechanism, and move the center of gravity closer to the grip hand. It would also make the shoulder-to-grip distance a bit closer to what people are used to from conventional designs.
On the tail-heavy bit, I don't get why nobody hasn't made a thumbhole style grip with the magazine well in the section behind the grip; this would put the magazine closer by an inch or two to the grip, also shortening the length of the trigger mechanism, and move the center of gravity closer to the grip hand. It would also make the shoulder-to-grip distance a bit closer to what people are used to from conventional designs.
M14 Bullpup
Not sure why others have not tried to fiddle with the design;
The Israeli's copied AWC's design; in fact, AWC made 100 for them,
then they just copied the design and made their own.
With the suppressor, it is a very compact system, and not tail-heavy
with the suppressor attached.
Apparently, it is technically very challenging to get a gas operated gun
to function properly with and without the suppressor; ie) for both conditions.
The AWC bullpup has a gas valve to adjust the amount of gas going through the port in order that it will cycle with and without the suppressor.
Overall, it's weight is not more than a standard M1A, just that it
is concentrated further back; takes a little getting used to is all.
My goal is to take it to a M14/M1A expert gunsmith, if I can find one,
to have him go over it to see if he can improve on the reliability and
accuracy.
I would consider fluting the Kreiger heavy barrel; that would lighten it up
some and help with cooling a tad, maybe open up the chamber a tiny bit,
or even flute it like on H&K's in order to ease extraction. More important
on the battlefield where you are more likely to run into cases of varying dimentions.
One thing I forgot; the scope is mounted relatively high which makes
the cheek weld a bit higher than normal; that could also affect accuracy
as one would have to relearn the natural cheek weld we all have learned
from shooting most other weapons. Again, something that can be learned.
The main advantage to this weapon system is it's compactness; which
is the reason for the existance for all Bullpups.
g
Not sure why others have not tried to fiddle with the design;
The Israeli's copied AWC's design; in fact, AWC made 100 for them,
then they just copied the design and made their own.
With the suppressor, it is a very compact system, and not tail-heavy
with the suppressor attached.
Apparently, it is technically very challenging to get a gas operated gun
to function properly with and without the suppressor; ie) for both conditions.
The AWC bullpup has a gas valve to adjust the amount of gas going through the port in order that it will cycle with and without the suppressor.
Overall, it's weight is not more than a standard M1A, just that it
is concentrated further back; takes a little getting used to is all.
My goal is to take it to a M14/M1A expert gunsmith, if I can find one,
to have him go over it to see if he can improve on the reliability and
accuracy.
I would consider fluting the Kreiger heavy barrel; that would lighten it up
some and help with cooling a tad, maybe open up the chamber a tiny bit,
or even flute it like on H&K's in order to ease extraction. More important
on the battlefield where you are more likely to run into cases of varying dimentions.
One thing I forgot; the scope is mounted relatively high which makes
the cheek weld a bit higher than normal; that could also affect accuracy
as one would have to relearn the natural cheek weld we all have learned
from shooting most other weapons. Again, something that can be learned.
The main advantage to this weapon system is it's compactness; which
is the reason for the existance for all Bullpups.
g