Luger

@lordhedgwich- I would also love to find a nice quality shooter. Gunbroker is about my only chance. If your not in NJ at least you can hit the shows and maybe luck into something. FYI-if you ever find a 32acp you like I wouldnt consider it a shooter purely for the price of 32acp ammo. I had inhereted a Colt 1903 that my sister later grabbed up on, so I had it and lost it quickly.
Good luck on your search and I hope you dont bid against me.
 
All, just have to throw in my two cents worth for an old friend. The Stoeger "Luger" 22 has a bad rap I know, but, I've owned one for over 40 years and it is THE most accurate pistol I have and has never malfunctioned in well over 15,000 (probably far more) rounds. The others I have include Sig, S&W, Colt, Browning, FEG, Springfield and Taurus. I know, I know but I heard her crying "aren't you going to say ANYTHING good about me?" I love that thing and it IS cheap to shoot..... Hope all have a wonderful evening.
 
The actual pistol in question is not a Stoeger Luger but an Erma. IMHO, the Stoeger is better than the Erma, but it resembles the "real" Luger even less.

The use of the Luger name by Stoeger and not by Erma came about in an interesting way. First, the pistol was never called the "Luger" in Europe; it was always called the Parabellum pistol. "Parabellum" was used by Deutsche Waffen-und Munitions Fabriken (DWM) as a tradename, based on the Latin phrase "si vis pacis para bellum" (if you want peace, be prepared for war). It was also their telegraph address, "Parabellum, Berlin."

Stoeger was the U.S. importer for the commercial pistol in the 1920's and, to keep a distinction between their new pistol sales and the imports of various surplus and reworked WWI pistols, trademarked the name "Luger". So legally, Stoeger and only Stoeger could use that name on or in advertising for a pistol in the U.S. So when they decided to have a pistol made to compete in the .22 caliber market, they had a "sort of" copy of the Luger made, and used that name on it.

Jim
 
Webleymkv is talking about the 7.65mm Parabellum cartridge, also known as the .30 Luger or 7.65 Luger.
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Well thats interesting that Webley said that in this thread, because if he did, he quoted me. I guess his post was inappropriate, because apparently the mods deleted his post which quoted me. Or maybe, you have mistaken me for someone who appreciates fugly Brit revolvers? I like pretty women, and I'm no different with revolvers - S&W and Colt.

About the ammo... I'll have to disagree slightly with Webley here. 7.65 Parabellum ammo IS available, and prices isn't outrageous IMHO,
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As above, you are also disagreeing with me. There is no reason to assume that the OP is interested in handloading 7.65 luger. Buying ammo just for a vintage handgun that he may not even enjoy is not a good idea if the gun can be had in 9mm. Also consider resale value. 30 cal lugers are not as sought after, and bring less money, most of the time. The biggest reason not to buy a 30 cal aka 7.65 luger is because if the caliber was not good enough for the German army, it should not be good enough for you!

Here are my lugers which don't make it to the range, and for good reason. Top - DWM Dutch contract ca 1913 (I have original mag and holster, all matching), next is a DWM 1917 Navy Luger - mismatched safety, otherwise good. Navy lugers are targeted by counterfeiters because they are hard to find and somewhat simple to fake, although mine is the genuine article. Next is a police G date (1935), all matching including mag. Only approx 900 G date lugers were procurred for the Nazi police. Last, is a BYF 42 black widow, which is all matching, and a full rig as well. The top 3 are rare, and the 4th one, in a rig, is very sought after. All are non-import, and the safety lever :mad: is the only mismatched part on the 4 guns. Top two are DWM, and bottom two are Mauser. DWM tooling went to Mauser and the Erfurt tooling went to Simson and Suhl, and later to Heinrich Krieghoff.

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I got you two mixed up. Sorry, no offense intended.
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I'm not offended at all. Some people would say that it was a compliment to me probably ;)

I was just poking fun at you citing someone who wasn't in the thread, at all.
 
I've got a question about Luger operation. My wife's grandfather has a WWII bring-back. When pulled back (no mag in place) the toggle simply stays back, it has to be manually pushed forward to go into battery.

What's wrong? I'm assuming there's a spring broken/missing. There's been no attempt to try to chamber a round.
 
It sounds like the recoil spring is missing or, if it is the older type Luger, the flat spring may be broken. The later coil springs don't break, but they might be weakened by leaving the gun open for a long time (decades) or maybe somone took the spring out and never replaced it.

Take off either of the grip screws and look at the space behind the magazine well. You should see a coil spring or, less likely, the remains of a flat spring.

Jim
 
I agree with dansu. I've had a Stoeger for years and it is one of my favorites. It is an extremely fun little pistol to shoot. I prefer it over a Ruger mk2 anyday. It may not be a Luger, or even the same mechanism, but it still has an interesting and unique action. If a real Luger is not in the price range i think the Stoeger is a fine substitute. Parts and magazines are very difficult to find though. Just my thoughts on the matter.
 
Winchester73,

your G date was built on a DWM frame as it seems to miss the Mauser hump and P.08 imprint.

As i have noticed before, you not only have a nice collection, you also know what you are looking at.
 
your G date was built on a DWM frame as it seems to miss the Mauser hump and P.08 imprint.
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From what I read, G dates and 1936 S/42s, do not have the Mauser hump. The Mauser hump was on some K date (1934) lugers, and it became standard in 1937 after the feature was not present in 1935 or 1936. I don't think the
"P.08" mark came until much later.

Were you suggesting that it was an old completed DWM frame which Mauser used to make a luger? I would think that those frames would have been used up already, but perhaps not? I never thought about that. I do know that Mauser acquired the tooling from DWM, and I suppose some finished parts as well.

Thanks for the compliments. I liked your guns as well.
 
in my opinion you can't go wrong with a police luger at a gun show you can get them sub 800 and typically have very good bluing.
 
I have a .30 calibur luger with all matching serial numbers and original parts. german made, DWM manufactured. im trying to find out the worth and maybe even find a potential buyer. any help?
 
Interesting about the Stoger .22 Luger.
I always wanted one when I was a kid. Within the last 10 years I bought one and it doesn't run worth a crap. Maybe I should look it over more carefully and see if I can find the problem. I just assumed this was normal.

This doesn't add anything to the thread either, but I have a couple "shooter" Lugers. One is a submarine commander that I need to get refinished. Sad, in that it is all matching.
 
My very first pistol was a brand new Stoeger 22 Luger. But it was a jam-o-matic and we never could get it to run. The store bought it back and I moved on.

The a year or so back I saw one at a local show. I bought it for $210 and it works perfectly.


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I also have this one.

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Both the Stoeger .22 and the Erma "Lugers" have spotty records for reliability. I have seen them both run perfectly, and I have seen both have repeated problems. IMHO, purchase of either is a crapshoot; I will stick to the Ruger with an "R" .22 pistols.

Jim
 
From what I read, G dates and 1936 S/42s, do not have the Mauser hump. The Mauser hump was on some K date (1934) lugers, and it became standard in 1937 after the feature was not present in 1935 or 1936. I don't think the
"P.08" mark came until much later.

Were you suggesting that it was an old completed DWM frame which Mauser used to make a luger? I would think that those frames would have been used up already, but perhaps not? I never thought about that. I do know that Mauser acquired the tooling from DWM, and I suppose some finished parts as well.

Thanks for the compliments. I liked your guns as well.


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Sorry, I missed your post. I have the book by Hallock & van de Kant about the Mauser P.08 from 1930 - 1945 and it is stated that many DWM frames and parts went to Mauser but they were used up in the first years of production, probably until the first K dates. There were 4,000 complete pistols and parts for at least 8,000 more sent from Berlin to Oberndorf. Mr. Weiss, the production supervisor was transferred from DWM to Mauser in 1930 and has kept notes of mayn transactions.

I can really recommend that book despite its price tag!

Oh, and I added another this month. A 1938 S/42.

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Just FWIW, SaxonPig's police Luger has two features commonly found on police pistols (never on military guns), the sear safety and the Schiwy magazine safety. The first locks the sear bar when the sideplate is removed, preventing an accident if the trigger bar is pressed in; the magazine safety blocks the trigger when the magazine is removed. Almost all the magazine safeties were disabled by grinding off the front part, leaving the rear part in place. That was apparently done on the gun shown.

Jim
 
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