Lucas gun oil

JohnKSa said:
They may provide some anti-corrosion protection--any oil does, but the motor oils I've seen test results for don't provide nearly the corrosion protection of a decent gun oil.
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So where's the link to the side-by-side comparison test between "gun" oils and motor oils for long-term corrosion protection of firearms?

Without test data, you are still committing the same error of assumption for which you criticized C0untZer0.
 
So where's the link to the side-by-side comparison test between "gun" oils and motor oils for long-term corrosion protection of firearms?

Without test data, you are still committing the same error of assumption for which you criticized C0untZer0.
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I've seen many such tests, over the years, and most included standard engine and light oils along with many brand-name gun "wonder" oils.

Here's are links that include premium motor oil:

One for the rifle shooter (it's focus), but it's results apply to handguns.

http://www.6mmbr.com/corrosiontest.html

A very extensive test by Brownells:

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/lid=...inic-Knowing-the-Limits-of-Rust-Preventatives

And one from the Gun Zone -- more readable than the rest. It doesn't test engine oil, but does include 3-in-1 and other light lubes, as well as a range of gun oils, all claiming to be rust resistant.

http://www.thegunzone.com/rust.html

The results of all of these tests suggest that except for very harsh environments (like around salt water) most oils will be good enough, but some are certainly much better than others.
 
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May be the greatest since the whale oil supply ran out. Or just may be motor oil with another label and higher price.
Who knows? I would like to see some definitive tests.
Is it advertising hoopla or fact?
 
I wouldn't be surprised if the gun and auto oil were the same. years ago I was told by an employee at a company that sold high-end bicycle lubes that part of his job involved pouring Mobile One into 3.5oz containers so it cold be sold for $4. Along the same lines, an automotive engineer told me that the first automatic transmission fluid was sperm whale oil... and that modern synthetic automatic transmission fluid makes a great substitute for sperm whale oil.
 
No difinitive test. But the action on my 96 is butter after using the Lucas oil. I think it would be after being freshly oiled no matter what I used. It is heavier than 3 in 1 oil.

What is proper lubing on a semi-auto pistol. I oiled the trigger, hammer, firing pin, stop block and slide. Basicaly everything that has motion.
Should a slide be oiled, greased or left clean and dry?
 
OK, here's my opinion of Lucas Gun Oil based on reading the MSDS and Spec sheet.

It's oil.

I'm not saying it's horrible, but neigther is 3 in 1 oil either.

From Lucas:


Quote:
•Use on fishing reels
•Excellent household oil

Sound familiar? Cuz it's oil
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3 in 1 oil and Lucus gun oil are very different to their core.

http://www.lucasoil.com/images/medialibrary/MSDS10006.pdf

http://www.wd40company.com/files/pdf/msds-3in58412697.pdf


To start.... 3 in 1 is consider a naphthenic oil and Lucus gun oil is a paraffinic oil.
 
I wasn't trying to say Lucas Gun Oil is the same as 3 in 1.

I'm just saying that Lucas is not bad for your pistol, but neither is 3 in 1 or a lot of other GP lubricants.

Unless there are ASTM tests associated with it, or corrosion tests associated with it, you don't know how "good" it is.

I think Mobile One is missing out on a great marketing opportnunity, Instead of calling it Mobile One they should call it Mobile One Hundred and One and list 100 other uses for it:

Fishing reels
Bicycle chains
Bicycle geers
Squeaky hinges
Automatic garage door openers..
etc, etc ...
 
I love lubrication threads and I love grease and oil and all that stuff. I purchased copper lube - like what comes in a Glock, but then after actually using it in my Glock I thought there was way better grease to use in it - just based on how it felt cycling it when dry-firing.

I put it on my bicycle chain and it worked great !

My gears stopped clicking, it became easier to shift, and when I rode on white gravel bike paths - it hardly picked up any dust.

I expected dust, I guess that's lime, but it didn't really collect it.
 
I use Mobil One 5W-30 on the rails but motor oils were not primarily designed for corrosion resistance. That's why I wipe down the slides with CLP before applying the motor oil.
 
I think it's pretty difficult to get one single product that does all three things well - Cleans Protects Lubricates.

I have to hand it to Breakfree CLP though - it does a pretty good job at all three.

I use 4 different substances to do those things.

I use Meguiar's Gold Class Carnauba Plus Paste Wax for the exterior of the slide. Meguiar's Gold Class Carnauba Plus Paste Wax is fairly oily, it also is PH neutral and has no abrasives in it.

I waxed the slides on my G34 and 17L and I like it. It is easier to grip the slide than if it had a light coat of oil on it. And it's more protected than if the slide were wiped completely dry. The slide ends up with a fairly hydrophobic coating on top of the gun's finish.
 
So where's the link to the side-by-side comparison test between "gun" oils and motor oils for long-term corrosion protection of firearms?

Without test data, you are still committing the same error of assumption for which you criticized C0untZer0.
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The fact that I referred to the results but didn't post a link only means I didn't post a link, it doesn't mean that the results don't exist and it doesn't mean I'm assuming anything.

The tests are the ones linked to by Walt. The one I was thinking of specifically was the one from the 6mmbr site. It's been posted on TFL a number of times, including 3 or 4 times by me.

The motor oil provided the least corrosion protection of any of the tested products with the possible exception of FP10.
 
I did look at the MSDS before I made my first post, but I didn't say "Looking at the MSDS.. this, IMO looks like plain oil" I just said it was oil. So I should have qualified my first post, and I didn't, but I'm not trying to say Lucas Gun Oil is horrible or anything, I'm just saying that, to me, it looks like a fairly simple oil.

An MSDS does not have to reveal every ingredient in the product, it just has to tell emergency crews how to deal with a spill BUT If you look at the MSDS of something like Breakfree CLP or Weaponshield and some other similar products, they have 3 or 4 components to them - significantly different enough from each other to warrant separate mention on the MSDS sheet, whereas Lucus Gun Oil is just hydrotreated heavy paraffinic distillate - which is a general term and synonymous with another general term - oil.

And as far as motor oil versus Lucas Gun Oil, I'm betting they're pretty similar, but that's just my opinion.
 
An MSDS does not have to reveal every ingredient in the product...
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Correct, I was merely providing an example.
And as far as motor oil versus Lucas Gun Oil, I'm betting they're pretty similar, but that's just my opinion.
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I guess it depends on what one means by similar. What generally makes one type of oil (e.g. gun oil vs. motor oil) different from another is the application specific additives that the manufacturer adds to the base lubricant. In one sense, all oils are pretty similar in that the majority of the oil is "just oil". In another sense, given that the additive package is really the main distinguishing factor between oils, they're all pretty different in that respect.

To provide a rough idea, the additive package for a typical motor oil is probably less than 5% of the weight of the formula based on what I can find with basic internet search. Back when companies were less cagey about their MSDS content, I looked through some MSDS data for gun specific products and found that it wasn't terribly uncommon for the product to be made up of about 20-25% application specific additives.
 
I'm wondering if some of these companies - like CLP BreakFree are just being dumb about their MSDS.

CLP Breakfree's MSDS:

Isodecyl Pelargonate
Petroleum Distillates, Hydrotreated Light
1-Decene, dimer, hydrogenated
Polyalphaolefin


Lucas gun oil product description is "Base Oil and Additives" The only item listed in the MSDS is:

Hydrotreated Heavy Paraffinic Distillate

If CLP could get away with just listing Hydrotreated Light Petroleum Distillates, I'd think they would, but maybe not.

There could be an error in my logic but I think CLP is more than just oil with an additive package.

I think I'm going back to "Bob is the Oil Guy" forum to ask them this... I know that detergents often go in an additive package and zink, and sometimes PTFE, and other stuff. I'm not sure if Isodecyl Pelargonate and hydrogenated 1-Decene, dimer would be found in additive packages.

Well, I'm off !!!
 
I've noticed that they're being very careful about what they put in their MSDS these days.

Maybe 5 years ago, the BF CLP MSDS was MUCH more specific and contained entries like:

Polyalphaolefin synthetic oil CAS #: 68037-01-4 Percent by weight: 53.4%​

You could read and MSDS and come away with a very good idea of the contents and mix of the product. Now they are very general about the mix and specific ingredients.
 
I have been using Breakfree CLP since it was first on the market and it does everything claimed for it. A few years ago after reading about Dexron/ATF I started using it for various tasks,(guns, locks, tools and various and sundry mechanisms in the shop.) It works just as well as CLP for every application I have tried it on. I don't know how long it will last before it starts to evaporate away but it is a extremely good light lubricating oil that will not turn into a gummy varnish like many others will. If you've ever seen the inside of an automatic transmisssion you can understand need for a quality oil that won't break down under a load. And yes, a firearm is not an automatic transmission but a lube that can handle the demands of a transmission should have no trouble keeping a pistol running.
 
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