Lower cost quality gun with a hammer and a decocker?

If were talking about a lower budget, you can't go wrong finding a used Ruger P series or a early S&W. Many times these are available for 300-375 range. One thing about buying a well known brand is chances of buying parts and spare magazines in the future are pretty good. I too like the check Bud's guns online too see what's in the police trade in's. Good luck.
 
Oops, sorry. I should have added that I'm looking into $450 range. This has been a very informative read. Thanks heaps :)
 
Would I prefer an older SIG? Yes, that's why I always recommend anyone looking at a new classic P-series SIG look for the old guns (as it was in my list to the OP). But that isn't the case here. The SP2022 out of Germany or Exeter should be fine (I'm not aware of major complaints with Exeter SP2022s) and at the sale listed is a very good bargain. I also love to sit back and reminisce of the days of old, but those are gone. The SP2022 is a solid design and while not as nice as maybe a classic P-series, it's a good gun at a very affordable price.
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There were initial issues with the extractor when is changed from the internal to external. Sig has developed a nasty habit of fubaring that transition in the past 10 years. The good news is that just about all current production Sigs have been changed to external extractors.

IIRC they corrected the issue and the new SP2022 are running well. There are a number of other changes that were made when they became US made guns. A big one is the finish went to Nitron from Iffalon which cannot be used here.

The SP2022 is a good if not great gun but it is a blueprint for the Cohen Sig of today. Take a product that is selling reasonably well from the German homeland. Cheapen and change parts so that it has parts commonality with other Sig models to gain economy of scale. Start selling it at same price you sold the German guns for but with only 1 mag and standard contrast sights. Charge people $35+ to get a 2nd mag. Create 4 or 5 different version of the gun to appeal to EVERYONE. Make sure you have one in Diamond plate, one with Diamond plate in silver tutone, one in tactical tan and what Sig model line up can be without one with a threaded barrel. LOL :eek:

Then when they are not selling as much as you wanted move the metal by offering less sought after configurations at a discount with the old package or close to it for the price you used to charge for the original.

Again not saying it is a bad gun. In fact I think its a great budget gun but lets acknowledge what it is and what Cohen Sig has done to it over the years. It is very similar to what it has done to a lot of P series models.

Again to the OP shoot one before you buy it because it is not a P series trigger. It is a different animal all to itself. It is not like the P250 trigger either. It is much better than that abomination IMHO. It has a very long DA trigger which is smooth and then a decent SA trigger. The length of pull throws a lot of people but on the other hand a lot of revolver guys like it.

Another great recommendation as others have pointed out is a 3rd Gen S&W if you are willing to buy used. Discontinued but built like a tank and will serve you well.
 
NGIB, Is that sweet little FN Beligan made?
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The FNX pistols are made in Columbia SC. Not to step on toes but I personally would pass on any of the FNP & FNX pistols. Too many issues.
 
over anything else mentioned
i would still take one of the leo trade in 3rd gen smiths
they are just bullet proof
and ill bet youll shoot them better
 
Again not saying it is a bad gun. In fact I think its a great budget gun but lets acknowledge what it is and what Cohen Sig has done to it over the years. It is very similar to what it has done to a lot of P series models.
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I wouldn't argue otherwise nor was I attempting to. As you yourself said it's a great budget gun, which appears to be what the OP is looking for. That's why I recommended it. He can likely find some other models used for that price, I and others have given a long list, but for new with night sights and two mags I think it's a decent entry.
 
All excellent suggestions and information guys. Thank you. It'll be either a Sig 2022 or the Beretta PX4. Will post photos of whichever I buy :)
 
If you can live without a decocker, the SAR B6P (a CZ75 clone) can be had for $250, amazing deal for what you get. Lack of a decocker isn't a big deal to me personally, but to each his own.
 
ll excellent suggestions and information guys. Thank you. It'll be either a Sig 2022 or the Beretta PX4. Will post photos of whichever I buy
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If you go the PX4 route I would recommend the following:

http://www.berettausa.com/en-us/beretta-px4-safety-and-slide-catch-low-prof-typ-g-only-/e00348/

It will convert your PX4 so that it becomes decock only. There are a number of videos online showing how to do it and it's relatively straightforward (watch beforehand). I personally am not a fan of slide mounted safeties or safeties in general on a DA/SA pistol hence the appeal of the kit to me, but if you like it then just ignore the link.
 
The 2022 with two mags and night sights is a good deal.


If your first two choices don't pan out, the CZ P07 and P09 are great guns as well, and they are in the price range. The new version of the P07 would be the version to get, it adds swappable back straps to adjust its feel. The P09 has that feature too, the P07 was updated to include the feature when the P09 was released.


I suggest you at least hold, manipulate the controls, and pull the trigger on any pistol you may buy. You may find you do not like the way it feels, and will choose another.

If possible, shoot the pistol or a like pistol from a range with rentals. Sometimes a pistol feels right until you feel it's recoil, and then it feels slick or snappy or any number of things.
 
Bersa Thunder Pro UC,,,

You should handle a Bersa Thunder Pro.

Actually there are two models of Thunder Pro pistols.

There is the full size Thunder Pro which is 17 rounds of 9mm and a 4.25" barrel,,,
And the Thunder Pro UC (Ultra Compact) which is 10 or 13 rounds of 9mm with a 3.25" barrel.

Oddly enough the Thunder Pro comes in 9mm or .40,,,
The Thunder Pro UC comes in 9mm, .40, and .45 ACP.

Of course the mag capacity goes down a bit as the caliber increases,,,
Each pistol comes from the factory with two magazines,,,
Both pistols are DA/SA with a decocker,,,
Both have ambidextrous controls.

I recently purchased the UC model in 9mm,,,
The 10 round and 13 round models are identical,,,
The only difference is which magazine the gun ships with.

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I bought my Duotone model at The Evil Pawn Shop,,,
With an extra 13 round magazine,,,
I paid $439.00 for it.

I'm very happy with this gun,,,
It's eaten 200 rounds of steel cased Tulammo,,,
As well as 200 rounds of brass cased Federal FMJ from Wal Mart.

I'm not saying this is the best pistol out there,,,
But I own three Bersa pistols and they all perform well,,,
I'm just tossing this out because I am liking my 9mm UC so much.

Happy hunting.

Aarond

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SP2022: As I have posted before, I have shot the SP2022 side by side with an HK P30, and for all the good qualities of the HK it came down to I like its grip better vs the Sig. The rest was some and some and comes up a wash though I like the Sig de-cock feature better.

If the Sig at a lower cost can match up with an HK, then what constitues a great gun? I would argeu that makes the Sig a great gun and the HK ho hum if they can't beat the Sig at nearly twice the price!

And what really matters is,
1. Is it reliable (both have been)
2. Can you shoot it (yes I can)

Given my choice I would take the HK because I like the grips but shooting wise it does not better nor worse than the Sig. Sig wins that one hands down.

And I have also shot the renowned P220. Nice gun, but both the HK and the SP are pretty close to the trigger ops.

I don't say you have to buy an SP2022, I do say its a top candidate to be considered.

Mine has had no hiccups at all,

I do know of one that had a badly reamed barrel chamber that had to be replaced (so yes there were some quality issues) . Sig customer service did throw the usual, well you need to shoot it, picture of the ridge on the case put a stop to that and they replaced it and ops on that one have been good

Actually it it shot fine, just messed up the case, a non reloader might not have cared.


There were initial issues with the extractor when is changed from the internal to external. Sig has developed a nasty habit of fubaring that transition in the past 10 years. The good news is that just about all current production Sigs have been changed to external extractors.

IIRC they corrected the issue and the new SP2022 are running well. There are a number of other changes that were made when they became US made guns. A big one is the finish went to Nitron from Iffalon which cannot be used here.

The SP2022 is a good if not great gun but it is a blueprint for the Cohen Sig of today. Take a product that is selling reasonably well from the German homeland. Cheapen and change parts so that it has parts commonality with other Sig models to gain economy of scale. Start selling it at same price you sold the German guns for but with only 1 mag and standard contrast sights. Charge people $35+ to get a 2nd mag. Create 4 or 5 different version of the gun to appeal to EVERYONE. Make sure you have one in Diamond plate, one with Diamond plate in silver tutone, one in tactical tan and what Sig model line up can be without one with a threaded barrel. LOL

Then when they are not selling as much as you wanted move the metal by offering less sought after configurations at a discount with the old package or close to it for the price you used to charge for the original.

Again not saying it is a bad gun. In fact I think its a great budget gun but lets acknowledge what it is and what Cohen Sig has done to it over the years. It is very similar to what it has done to a lot of P series models.

Again to the OP shoot one before you buy it because it is not a P series trigger. It is a different animal all to itself. It is not like the P250 trigger either. It is much better than that abomination IMHO. It has a very long DA trigger which is smooth and then a decent SA trigger. The length of pull throws a lot of people but on the other hand a lot of revolver guys like it.

Another great recommendation as others have pointed out is a 3rd Gen S&W if you are willing to buy used. Discontinued but built like a tank and will serve you well.
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RC20 in what way does your post address what I said about the SP2022 so much that you felt the need to quote me?

You say you shot the SP2022 and the P220 and did not notice a difference in the triggers or did I misunderstand your post?
 
BY WVSIG: The FNX pistols are made in Columbia SC. Not to step on toes but I personally would pass on any of the FNP & FNX pistols. Too many issues.
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None with mine but I am obviously ill-informed...
 
None with mine but I am obviously ill-informed...
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No one said you were ill-informed. What I did state is what I know about the FNX pistols. There have been issues most of which FN addressed. For example:

  • Heat issues where the polymer would melt/deform on hot days.
  • Flimsy safety lever which because they used a clip not a pin.
  • At one time the magazines would not seat properly
  • In cold weather the mags would not drop free.
  • Poor fit on the backstrap.
  • Mag release sticks and will not release the mag.

These are all confirmed issues which have been documented. This does not mean that it will happen to all FNX guns. Some of the issues have been resolved other still show up.

The other issue I have with the FNX pistol is its overly complex design which makes it harder to work on and there is very little aftermarket support for the gun. Not a lot of user serviceable parts. Again not saying that it is a horrible gun I think there are better ones out there that are better supported and a better value.
 
RC20 in what way does your post address what I said about the SP2022 so much that you felt the need to quote me?

You say you shot the SP2022 and the P220 and did not notice a difference in the triggers or did I misunderstand your post?
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I don't see the SP2022 as being in the category you quoted. Unless I am wrong, its the same gun that came out originally ( changes in the rail) and made in the US.

And yes, I have shot both of the SP and P220 and they are very close to the same to me. Doesn't mean they are the same, but close enough that I don't feel the difference. Ergo, if they are that close then the lighter weight has some advantages and the all metal myth or superior nature (and cost) of metal not there for all or maybe even in the head of some. I don't buy the one opinion fits all or makes it so theory. If I shot the P220 more maybe, but on a couple of shoots no.

Bottom line the SP2022 stacks up extremly well in at least overall as good as the so called higher quality guns which says volumes to me at least.
 
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