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Lost all my 9mm brass
- Thread starter Machineguntony
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buck460XVR
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Make them pay for the loaded ammo they take (bullet, case, powder, and primer). As an incentive, give credit for each empty case returned. Otherwise, if you care whether they shoot or continue, accept that there will be an expense. Make it so they take nothing for granted and at least express gratitude for your time.
Last thing I'm gonna do is require folks "buy" my reloaded ammo. Again all I'm asking for is that show of gratitude/appreciation and maybe something else in kind. I have a good friend I fish with quite often. He comes and picks me up with his boat and truck. Never asks for gas money and refuses when I offer. I buy drinks and snacks and lunch. When we hunt it's the other way around, I pick him up with my truck with the dog in the back, and he buys drinkls and snacks/lunch. As I said, I have accepted the fact that I won't get 100% of my brass back when my oldest shoots, but he also plants the food plot in front of my deer stand without asking. Odds are, in between rounds of shooting my reloads, he's smoking a brisket or ribs for supper. There are a ton of other things he does and gives me, too numerous to mention. That's what family is all about, not snibbling over a little lost brass. I have no problem with the return of kindness or favors, with something other than what I give. Especially with family or friends. This is true with more than just reloads/brass. It's the moochers I hate.....and that too is true with more than just reloads/brass.
Machineguntony
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I just still can’t believe that all my 9mm brass is gone. I had mountains of it.
I’m back to shopping for brass. The cheapest I’ve found is $87 for 3000 cleaned, mix stamped, but not fully processed brass. Plus $22 shipping.
Females or not, family members or not, going forward, I’m telling everyone I want the brass back or I’m providing any more ammo. I’m glad I’m not the only person with this dilemma.
I’m back to shopping for brass. The cheapest I’ve found is $87 for 3000 cleaned, mix stamped, but not fully processed brass. Plus $22 shipping.
Females or not, family members or not, going forward, I’m telling everyone I want the brass back or I’m providing any more ammo. I’m glad I’m not the only person with this dilemma.
shootniron
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I don't have this problem...NO ONE shoots my reloads, but me.
Once my son started reloading...that ended my letting anyone else shoot my reloaded ammo...I don't want that responsibility.
Once my son started reloading...that ended my letting anyone else shoot my reloaded ammo...I don't want that responsibility.
shootniron I can appreciate the sentiment of Liability. I won't load for just anyone because I am not a Manufacturer and I don't carry unlimited Liability or Malpractice insurance. I do load for my wife but I see that as loading for myself to use in my own guns. I wouldn't want to se her get hurt any more than I would like to see myself hurt.
At the same time I will allow others to shoot my guns with my reloads but I will not allow them to shoot my guns with their reloads.
I too see remanufactured ammo for sale at gun shows and still wonder what type and how much Liability insurance do they carry!
At the same time I will allow others to shoot my guns with my reloads but I will not allow them to shoot my guns with their reloads.
I too see remanufactured ammo for sale at gun shows and still wonder what type and how much Liability insurance do they carry!
shootniron
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kmw1954...I will not allow people to shoot my reloads because I would never get over it if someone got hurt shooting one of my reloads...not because of the fear of financial liability.
Many years ago, I came in one day, had a new bullet that I had cast and wanted to try in a Model 49 Smith and Wesson. I loaded 5 rounds...weighed every charge of powder...not hot loads, just standard pressure rounds. I loaded them into the revolver and walked out to try them. The second round blew that little gun all to pieces...I have no idea what I did wrong. Like I said, I weighed every charge...trickled it out of a RCBS trickler, seated the bullets to the crimp groove...BUT...obviously, there was a problem. Thank GOD, I wasn't hurt...and I learned a valuable lesson...don't let others shoot my reloads because I can make mistakes even being very deliberate with my process.
What still troubles me about that incident is that I have never been able to figure what I did wrong, how I did it and how I missed it. Did I overcharge that case? Did I seat that bullet way too deep? I just don't know...
The great thing about it was that it was CHEAP lesson that I have never forgotten.
But, still makes me sick when I think about destroying that nice little gun.
Many years ago, I came in one day, had a new bullet that I had cast and wanted to try in a Model 49 Smith and Wesson. I loaded 5 rounds...weighed every charge of powder...not hot loads, just standard pressure rounds. I loaded them into the revolver and walked out to try them. The second round blew that little gun all to pieces...I have no idea what I did wrong. Like I said, I weighed every charge...trickled it out of a RCBS trickler, seated the bullets to the crimp groove...BUT...obviously, there was a problem. Thank GOD, I wasn't hurt...and I learned a valuable lesson...don't let others shoot my reloads because I can make mistakes even being very deliberate with my process.
What still troubles me about that incident is that I have never been able to figure what I did wrong, how I did it and how I missed it. Did I overcharge that case? Did I seat that bullet way too deep? I just don't know...
The great thing about it was that it was CHEAP lesson that I have never forgotten.
But, still makes me sick when I think about destroying that nice little gun.
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shootniron
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May be flawed thinking but if I feel that it is unsafe for others to be shooting my guns with my hand loads then maybe I shouldn't be shooting them myself.
You are certainly entitled to that thought.
Thank you for the honest response!
I have a small group of friends that also have been shooting and reloading for a long time and I will say I do not feel uncomfortable shooting their guns with their hand loads in them. At the same time they will shoot mine. We do not exchange ammo between guns. But then I've known these gentlemen for some time and yes I would trust them with my life. But then I guess I am also a trusting sole in that I've let complete strangers do work inside my heart.
With that understanding I do not expect anyone else to feel or behave the way I do and will not be offended if you don't agree.
I have a small group of friends that also have been shooting and reloading for a long time and I will say I do not feel uncomfortable shooting their guns with their hand loads in them. At the same time they will shoot mine. We do not exchange ammo between guns. But then I've known these gentlemen for some time and yes I would trust them with my life. But then I guess I am also a trusting sole in that I've let complete strangers do work inside my heart.
With that understanding I do not expect anyone else to feel or behave the way I do and will not be offended if you don't agree.
TehHappyGunner
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Maybe I can save you a few bucks or minutes. Prices shown are for shipping to my zip. As of last week. YMMV.I just still can’t believe that all my 9mm brass is gone. I had mountains of it.
I’m back to shopping for brass. The cheapest I’ve found is $87 for 3000 cleaned, mix stamped, but not fully processed brass. Plus $22 shipping.
Females or not, family members or not, going forward, I’m telling everyone I want the brass back or I’m providing any more ammo. I’m glad I’m not the only person with this dilemma.
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I will not allow people to shoot my reloads because I would never get over it if someone got hurt shooting one of my reloads...
If everyone had this way of thinking we would all own cars with just one place to sit...
shootniron
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If everyone had this way of thinking we would all own cars with just one place to sit...
Sir, I am not everyone...and you are free to do as you choose. It is not my place to provide others with ammunition...I will gladly let them use my components and equipment to load ammo for themselves...but they ain't shooting ammo that I loaded.
I can do as I please with my reloaded ammo and you can do as you please with yours.
There's a Vendor Sponsor on the castboolits forum, Orisolo, that sells brass from an indoor range (I believe) and has 9mm for $.03 a piece. I bet you could get closer to $.02 if buying thousands of pieces.
Going forward just ask them to pick up the their brass. For years I would sweep up any brass not being picked up by other shooters and would always end up with extra 9mm. At this point I won't even bother to pick up extra brass if it's just 9mm.
Going forward just ask them to pick up the their brass. For years I would sweep up any brass not being picked up by other shooters and would always end up with extra 9mm. At this point I won't even bother to pick up extra brass if it's just 9mm.
I reload for me, my brother, and 2 very close friends... they know if they don't bring back any cases, they don't get any more ammo... but they are guys, too.
Loosing brass is just the nature of the game, particularly in an indoor range, but I've seen some outdoor ranges that were just as bad. There are gobs of sources for new or used brass, just spend the money, or do what I do... buy a case of loaded ammo so you at least get one firing without the time spent reloading it. My bane is .45 brass... I probably loose something like 25% of my .45 brass when I shoot, I just bought another case of Federal so I'll have more cases to reload.
In your case, OP, I would be happy as all get out your sister is shooting her pistol! I've found very few women that take the time to actually shoot, let alone scrounge for brass... I'd call it a day.
Loosing brass is just the nature of the game, particularly in an indoor range, but I've seen some outdoor ranges that were just as bad. There are gobs of sources for new or used brass, just spend the money, or do what I do... buy a case of loaded ammo so you at least get one firing without the time spent reloading it. My bane is .45 brass... I probably loose something like 25% of my .45 brass when I shoot, I just bought another case of Federal so I'll have more cases to reload.
In your case, OP, I would be happy as all get out your sister is shooting her pistol! I've found very few women that take the time to actually shoot, let alone scrounge for brass... I'd call it a day.
OzeanJaeger
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I pretty much pick up all pistol brass like some kind of bag person.
I was shooting at a new indoor range and there were 5 gal buckets of brass besides the lanes.
I asked the guy what they did with them. He said they sell it to a scrap dealer for about $75 a bucket. I asked if he would sell to me two for the same; "Yes".
Probably 50% 9mm, 20% .45, 15% .40 and the rest mixed. I have 2 XL Acrobins that are full of 9mm, and a box of about that many more. It's excessive for a guy who only owns two 9mms. I still pick up any loose brass, but I'll probably never run through what I have now, and I had a bunch before buying 10gal of it...
I was shooting at a new indoor range and there were 5 gal buckets of brass besides the lanes.
I asked the guy what they did with them. He said they sell it to a scrap dealer for about $75 a bucket. I asked if he would sell to me two for the same; "Yes".
Probably 50% 9mm, 20% .45, 15% .40 and the rest mixed. I have 2 XL Acrobins that are full of 9mm, and a box of about that many more. It's excessive for a guy who only owns two 9mms. I still pick up any loose brass, but I'll probably never run through what I have now, and I had a bunch before buying 10gal of it...
Having family that shoots is a wonderful thing. Supplying the family with ammo is OK if you don't really mind, but going through 20,000 cases because the shooters won't/can't pick up the brass is not acceptable. I'd either put a swap empty for loaded system (bring back 100 empties, get 100 reloads), or have the shooter supply their own components. I love my daughter but going through that much brass would be abusing my generosity, taking advantage of me...
Now if I was rich and could afford to buy brass and bullets in 100K lots that would be a different story
Now if I was rich and could afford to buy brass and bullets in 100K lots that would be a different story
Machineguntony
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On a related note, what’s the cheapest place to buy bulk 9mm brass?
Happy gunner, the image was blurry. Could you repost a clear pic?
I’ve come to realize that picking up and saving brass is an art that reloaders develop. For example, at the indoor ranges I shoot at, I’ve developed a way to angle and position myself so that the brass always flies backward. I’m very cognizant of where my brass goes. Nonreloaders just shoot.
I had a former shooting friend who was like this. Several times, while we were shooting together, I gave him a handful of 223 (after he ran out of his own ammo) and said, be sure you get me the brass back. When he returned zero, his excuse was that the brass all flew forward. My response was, then why do I have all my empty brass here in this bag? Then I come across as the bad guy. I no longer ask that guy shooting again.
I’m like the Italian mother with food, when it comes to ammo. I love having huge amounts of ammo, more than necessary, and I dread running out of ammo. I leave the range when I feel like leaving, not when I run out of ammo. But when your shooting budddies run out of ammo, and you have several ammo cans of ammo left of multiple calibers, it can get awkward.
I’ve learned just to go shooting alone, with the occasional family member.
Happy gunner, the image was blurry. Could you repost a clear pic?
I’ve come to realize that picking up and saving brass is an art that reloaders develop. For example, at the indoor ranges I shoot at, I’ve developed a way to angle and position myself so that the brass always flies backward. I’m very cognizant of where my brass goes. Nonreloaders just shoot.
I had a former shooting friend who was like this. Several times, while we were shooting together, I gave him a handful of 223 (after he ran out of his own ammo) and said, be sure you get me the brass back. When he returned zero, his excuse was that the brass all flew forward. My response was, then why do I have all my empty brass here in this bag? Then I come across as the bad guy. I no longer ask that guy shooting again.
I’m like the Italian mother with food, when it comes to ammo. I love having huge amounts of ammo, more than necessary, and I dread running out of ammo. I leave the range when I feel like leaving, not when I run out of ammo. But when your shooting budddies run out of ammo, and you have several ammo cans of ammo left of multiple calibers, it can get awkward.
I’ve learned just to go shooting alone, with the occasional family member.
larryf1952
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When I lived in Texas in the early 1990's, I shot at an outdoor range. The "floor" of the range was actually empty brass that had built up under the shooting stations and taken the place of what might otherwise have been dirt or gravel. This is where I developed my brass hoarding habits.
I'd police my own brass, and spend an extra hour wandering around in the empty shooting stations, picking up brass for calibers that I reloaded. I quickly amassed a healthy supply.
Through the years, I've continued to pick up brass whenever I shoot. Today, I can honestly say that I could likely live for 300 years and never run out of 9mm brass. I shoot at an indoor range these days, and there is always a vast amount of 9mm brass lying on the floor. I could scoop up enough of it in a month to be able to easily load 1K rounds. If you're shooting outside in a private area, I can understand how this might not work for you.
I have a couple of buddies that I work with who are also into guns, and they go along with me to the range now and then. I have sold them some ammo a few times, and I always try to give them a discount over what factory ammo would cost.
I recently sold 100 rounds of .357 JHP's to one of my friends, and I asked $40 for it. 100 rounds of .357 JHP would easily fetch at least $50 in any store. But, he seemed to be put off by it, as if my ammo, made with my components and my time, wasn't worth as much as factory stuff. He gave me the $30 that he had on him. I took it, assuming that he'd pony up the other $10 a day or 2 later. He never did.
I decided that that was the last time that I was going to sell any of my ammo to anyone. They can buy it at the store and pay their prices from now on.
I'd police my own brass, and spend an extra hour wandering around in the empty shooting stations, picking up brass for calibers that I reloaded. I quickly amassed a healthy supply.
Through the years, I've continued to pick up brass whenever I shoot. Today, I can honestly say that I could likely live for 300 years and never run out of 9mm brass. I shoot at an indoor range these days, and there is always a vast amount of 9mm brass lying on the floor. I could scoop up enough of it in a month to be able to easily load 1K rounds. If you're shooting outside in a private area, I can understand how this might not work for you.
I have a couple of buddies that I work with who are also into guns, and they go along with me to the range now and then. I have sold them some ammo a few times, and I always try to give them a discount over what factory ammo would cost.
I recently sold 100 rounds of .357 JHP's to one of my friends, and I asked $40 for it. 100 rounds of .357 JHP would easily fetch at least $50 in any store. But, he seemed to be put off by it, as if my ammo, made with my components and my time, wasn't worth as much as factory stuff. He gave me the $30 that he had on him. I took it, assuming that he'd pony up the other $10 a day or 2 later. He never did.
I decided that that was the last time that I was going to sell any of my ammo to anyone. They can buy it at the store and pay their prices from now on.
Sure Shot Mc Gee
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Since your in the mood to give away first fires. How's about sending me 2000 when you restock. I'll even pay for the shipping after I receive em.20,000 9mm brass gone.
You Buy. Really? If she's old enough to shoot She old enough to buy.I’m thinking it might be cheaper just to buy my sister and nieces steel cased ammo.
I don't. I learned that lesson quite some time ago. Had a friend would wanted me to reload his 7 mag brass. At first I thought a box or two is OK Turned out he handed me a paper sack >17 box of it. I did the favor over a winter for him. Gave him his cartridges the following deer hunting season expecting a little green for the 4831 powder & jacketed bullets. Nothing not even a Thank you. Just took em turned and walked away to retrieve another free beer. And~~ you that same fellow had the gall to asked me a second time two years later to do the same. "Well you can imagine what I told him straight to his face."What do you guys do when you give friends or family brass/ammo?
I being 6'2 and 1/4 ton in weight there wasn't a rebuttal. Although.
My son occasionally will ask for a box of 243s or a box of 45acp. He knows better than to leave his brass on the floor. And will ask his friends for their brass so to give to me.
Do you ask them to pick it up and bring it back?
Seems to me whom ever wants to shoot another's {free} hand loads the least they can do bend over and pick up their brass.
"Some brass return is acceptable No brass return is being taken advantage of."
Time to have a talk with your sister. "Bullets don't grow on tree's"