looking to buy 38 special or +p

If the gun is primarily a range gun, .38 Special is entirely adequate. The Plus-P and magnum ammunition is no fun to shoot anyway.
Regular .38 Special is just fine for defense, too. Don't fall into the "Plus-P" hype!
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Amen this!

I'm a Smith & Wesson guy, pretty much, but if I've seen a few used Rossi. They don't seem too bad. I've never even seen a "Windicator" but I found a picture of one. They look good in the picture, but that about all I can say for or against them.

So that is the real name? I thought people were being sarcastic when they called them that.

I wouldn't want a small frame, short barrel snub for a range gun. Something like the above mentioned Model 10/64 with a 4" barrel is a lot more fun. That one shown in the Bud's add would clean up nicely with a little Flitz and some elbow grease.
 
The windicators are made in germany by wiehrauch, a good air rifle company, they make the beeman HW products. they are entry level revolvers though.
the fact they aren't rated to run +P makes me think maybe not buy one. the trigger pull apparently is ok, build quality I think would be a smidge better than armscor, which to me is about the same quality as a cheap blank-firing gun.
so may just look at S&W used or Rossi.
 
"Fact" is the most undefinable thing in the world.

"It's cold today" says the Hawaiian. "No," says the Eskimo, "it's very warm today."

You ask 100 people for the "fact" and you are likely to get 100 different answers.

FACT: Do what you want, believe what you want.

FACT: I will do the same. But I have years of research and observation backing my beliefs. I eschew hysteria and myth...and that's the FACT.

http://shootingwithhobie.blogspot.com/2009/01/p-phenomenon-by-saxonpig.html
 
But 50* to the Hawaiian is cold, but warm for the Eskimo. So while the temperature is in fact 50*, the fact that it is warm, or cold, is subjective.

Facts are not necessarily definitive, they can indeed be subjective. Just basing your fact on this standard, which can be true and proven and thus a fact, while I base my fact on this other standard, which can be true and proven and thus a fact, makes certain facts subjective.

And thus ends the rambling of a man who doesn't have his full dose of coffee..:D
 
I would keep my eyes out for a nice used S&W or Ruger, they really are the better choices. I will admit that I have one of the older 720 Rossi's and it is a keeper for sure but it is a 44 spl, not a 38. A nice model 10 HB S&W would make a great shooter, I picked up one years ago and use it as a house gun.:)
 
FACT as to what the SAAMI standards say in ink on paper are exactly that. A FACT.
fact
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noun
noun: fact · plural noun: facts
a thing that is indisputably the case:
synonyms: reality · actuality · certainty · truth · verity · gospel
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But I have years of research and observation backing my beliefs
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Unless you have the pressure testing equipment used in laboratories like SAAMI, your "observations" are conjecture.
conjecture
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1.
the formation or expression of an opinion or theory without sufficient evidence for proof.
2.
an opinion or theory so formed or expressed; guess; speculation.
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I'm sure the firearms manufactures all contact you to determine if their products are to be rated +P Or not!:eek:
 
But SAAMI changed their facts in 1972. Again, facts are not set in stone when they are nothing more than a construct, created by Man.

I don't need a pressure measuring device to know that a 125 at 925 FPS is not a high pressure load. Empties fall from the chamber without using the ejector. Cases are sooted meaning they didn't expand to seal the chamber under firing. All signs of low pressure condition. These are my observations and I believe my own eyes. You don't...fine.

Mainstream (not specialty) factory +P as any sort of high pressure or high performance load is a myth. A lie. It is NOT fact.

But here I am sucked into this never ending debate again. I have got to get off this merry go round.
 
But SAAMI changed their facts in 1972. Again, facts are not set in stone when they are nothing more than a construct, created by Man.
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Don't confuse data with conclusions accepted as factual .
 
Used .38 special S&Ws are still around for under $400. That would be my first choice.

In August I bought a very good condition Model 14 for $330 with two speed loaders. I've read of better deals than that.
 
If the Rossi is of the Interarms era, and stamped accordingly, go for it. Those are underrated as having since taken on the stigma of Taurus.
 
If I had a $300 budget, my search would start and end with a police trade in like the ones found at Bud's.
 
Ended up buying a new Taurus model 82 4" satin for $299. So far i've managed to get a 1 1/2" ragged hole.
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I agree with Skizzums. The fellow is looking for a in expense 38 special. He might not care about SAAMI pressures between standard and +P. He is asking for a opinion on the two revolvers he named above.
My response is, for $300 to $350 he can find a used S&W or Ruger. I feel he would get more for his money.
 
The Taurus Model 82 is basically a S&W Model 10. It shoots at least as good as my friends S&W. Only had a week and I've already had my reloading supplies and die's hit my mail box and fired off my first set of reloads today.
 
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