Looking into S&W J frame

Double actions are designed to be double action. However, it is a common situation where people will buy a double action revolver and do most of their shooting single action and never attain any proficiency with double action shooting.


I see that a lot as well. Folks need to practice double action. It would be a good idea to practice with each hand individually as well as two handed.
 
I've enjoyed the helpful replies. Another question, just get the one with internal lock or order the one without? I live in Pennsylvania so there's no restriction as far as I've found.

I personally am not worried that it will "lock up" or anything in a SD situation. Although it may be unsightly and unnecessary, I don't have a problem with it providing there's not a good reason not have it.
 
Look at the Bruce Willis movie 16 Blocks. They got the drop on bad guys twice with a Model 60. And they announced it by COCKING THE SA TRIGGER in the guy's ear.

It's like racking the slide on a shotgun. It's the last thing you do before taking that well-aimed shot. Maybe you won't even have to pull the trigger.
 
This is easy...

One of these 2 guys...lately the 649.:D The extra weight is really not an issue as it is a lot lighter than my Colt 1911. Keeps recoil down for a faster follow up shot. Will not snag. Love the SA if I need it. Have taken it out to 100 yards and will keep them all in the black on the PPC targets the police use. Just do not ask for the group size. :rolleyes:

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agree with krazyhorse ... 637 with exposed hammer ... practice drawing for a few days and you'll never have an issue with the hammer ..
 
I carry a 442 and love the gun. I wish I would have got one with a stainless cylinder because it developed alittle rust from my sweat when I pocket carried it.
 
I prefer the 637. It gives you the option to fire both single and double action and it looks like a snub nose should. I've also found the fear of the hammer spur snagging on your pocket, while I suppose it is possible, to not be an issue at all.


I agree with Krezyhorse.........
 
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've enjoyed the helpful replies. Another question, just get the one with internal lock or order the one without? I live in Pennsylvania so there's no restriction as far as I've found.

I personally am not worried that it will "lock up" or anything in a SD situation. Although it may be unsightly and unnecessary, I don't have a problem with it providing there's not a good reason not have it.
The internal lock seems like a good idea if you have kids. However, consider if you lock it at home to make it safe and you forget to unlock it when you put it in your pocket for carry.
 
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I prefer the 637. It gives you the option to fire both single and double action and it looks like a snub nose should. I've also found the fear of the hammer spur snagging on your pocket, while I suppose it is possible, to not be an issue at all.

I agree with Krezyhorse.........
Have you tried drawing it from your pocket lying down, being kicked, lying on your gun side. Worried about a hammer snagging now, or about taking a long, single action shot? Yup, that spur on the hammer is a real good idea.
 
I realize SA would be better for target. But if I have to shoot someone in a defense situation, would cocking the hammer be considered as premeditation or something in the justice system? I just feel that having the simplicity of one option, squeezing the trigger is better.

I am not a lawyer, but I have been told by one that if he's my defense attorney after a gunfight he wants to present that my handgun is DAO. That means I'm not irresponsibly aiming a cocked gun that I discharge by accident. Therefore I must necessarily have been in fear for my life.

Again, I'm not a lawyer, and I don't play one on tv. But my hammer is bobbed.
 
I am not a lawyer, but I have been told by one that if he's my defense attorney after a gunfight he wants to present that my handgun is DAO. That means I'm not irresponsibly aiming a cocked gun that I discharge by accident. Therefore I must necessarily have been in fear for my life.

Again, I'm not a lawyer, and I don't play one on tv. But my hammer is bobbed.
Also, a D.A. only gun would suggest that you were carrying with a mind-set of self-protection only, not some cowboy looking to be a vigilante inasmuch as a snub-D.A.-only is more likely to be interpreted by a jury as defensive compared to spur-cocking for an execution shot. As a State cop told us in our CCW class, "...have no doubt, if you pull your gun and shoot your life will not ever be the same...there will be unlawful death suits that will follow, no matter how justified you were in shooting." Note: Bernard Getts was sued and lost, will pay the rest of his life despite the fact that the three perps had sharpened screw drivers and all had extensive rap sheets. Concealed carriers had better stack the deck as much in their favor as possible.
 
Look at the Bruce Willis movie 16 Blocks. They got the drop on bad guys twice with a Model 60. And they announced it by COCKING THE SA TRIGGER in the guy's ear.

It's like racking the slide on a shotgun. It's the last thing you do before taking that well-aimed shot. Maybe you won't even have to pull the trigger.

Not meaning to sound rude but since there's no smiley icons at the end of the above post... have to assume you're serious.
These are the kind of post that just leave ya scratching your head. :D

I carry a 442 and love the gun. I wish I would have got one with a stainless cylinder because it developed alittle rust from my sweat when I pocket carried it.

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Are you using a pocket holster?

Using a pocket holster will help to shield your pistol from sweat. Just one of the many,many advantages of using a pocket holster when pocket carrying.
 
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Also, a D.A. only gun would suggest that you were carrying with a mind-set of self-protection only, not some cowboy looking to be a vigilante inasmuch as a snub-D.A.-only is more likely to be interpreted by a jury as defensive compared to spur-cocking for an execution shot. As a State cop told us in our CCW class, "...have no doubt, if you pull your gun and shoot your life will not ever be the same...there will be unlawful death suits that will follow, no matter how justified you were in shooting." Note: Bernard Getts was sued and lost, will pay the rest of his life despite the fact that the three perps had sharpened screw drivers and all had extensive rap sheets. Concealed carriers had better stack the deck as much in their favor as possible.

Sorry but I think this argument is a bit extreme. Getz was unlawfully carrying at the time when he shot four unarmed attackers. I'm surprised all he got was the weapons charge considering the state he lived in. I don't think it would had mattered what he was carrying when it came to the civil suit.

I agree, the 642 type revolvers are the best choice of a carry revolver but because of snagging or legal concerns. In the time I've carried a spurred revolver I've never once had a problem with the spur snagging. I don't imagine that would change in a self defense situation.

Considering the number of documented self defense shootings in the country, someone should be able to present a case where the spur caused a problem for the defense.

* disclaimer - I don't think that Getz should have been charged with the attempted murder nor do I believe the civil verdict was just.
 
Sorry but I think this argument is a bit extreme. Getz was unlawfully carrying at the time when he shot four unarmed attackers. I'm surprised all he got was the weapons charge considering the state he lived in. I don't think it would had mattered what he was carrying when it came to the civil suit.
The Getz incident is not the best example, but it is the only one I could think of. What I had in mind was some of the posts that keep insisting there is some advantage to having a spur on the hammer, "...in case they need to take a longer shot...".

I agree, the 642 type revolvers are the best choice of a carry revolver but because of snagging or legal concerns. In the time I've carried a spurred revolver I've never once had a problem with the spur snagging. I don't imagine that would change in a self defense situation.
It is only one of the arguments against a hammer spur. Another one is that a spurless gun discourages the practice of using single-action cocking that results in never learning to use the double-action feature effectively.

Considering the number of documented self defense shootings in the country, someone should be able to present a case where the spur caused a problem for the defense.
Or, no one bothers with that detail. News reporters are looking for the most sensation to sell papers, not interested in mundane details. If it happened, I would imagine the News report would go somewhat like this: "Despite the fact that Mr. Jones was carrying a concealed handgun, he was robbed and severely beaten, proving that carrying a gun does not protect you from crime and violence."

* disclaimer - I don't think that Getz should have been charged with the attempted murder nor do I believe the civil verdict was just.
Me neither. The guy had reached the end of his rope. He had been victimized before, begs the question of the NYC fathers, "...What the hell did you expect him to do, just continue to be a victim?" He ended up moving to Florida.
 
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People are needlessly agonizing over hammer versus hammerless.

Has it not occurred to anyone to put the thumb over the hammer while drawing? Move it to the correct position as soon as it is out of the pocket.
 
Has it not occurred to anyone to put the thumb over the hammer while drawing? Move it to the correct position as soon as it is out of the pocket.
Has it not occurred to you that there are posts that address that point? i.e., if you were punched in the face, kicked while on the ground, do you think that you would have the wherewithall to remember with the adrenalin rush, the racing heart, to calmly put your thumb over the hammer spur? Are you sure you would remember that you even had thumbs under the effects of a potentially fatal attack? Remember, we are not talking about deer hunting but a life and death situation...or you would not be drawing in the first place.
 
People are needlessly agonizing over hammer versus hammerless.
Is not that what a forum is for, giving arguments that support and counter other's arguments? forum: a medium (as a newspaper or online service) of open discussion or expression of ideas
 
Start reading at post #38
Also, read post #39 while you are at it. And post #57 and you will see what is wrong with that.

By this time, your post should have countered my point that in some instances putting your thumb over the hammer will be the furthest thing from your mind. Remember, you have been punched in the head, ribs kicked in...do you think that you are going to say to yourself, "...remember to put thumb over hammer to keep spur from snagging...good thing I didn't bob the hammer...I feel the need for thumb-cocking may present itself..."?:rolleyes:
 
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